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Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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Imnimo wrote: post #10
anonygler wrote: post #9

That's insane. The residency program is a way for people from unique backgrounds to enter into the software engineering field with less stringent interview requirements. SWE can pay upwards of $500-600k after 5-10 years of experience. This was an incredible opportunity and it's an absolute shame that internal protests killed it. Yes, you get less pay and a smaller stock refresh, but I know a few people who's careers…

>with the assumption that they'd fail and eventually have to be let go. This seems at odds with the article: >Nearly all residents converted to regular employees, according to the presentation

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Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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Post by esyir »

Imnimo wrote: post #13
MikeUt wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, okay. So we can keep claiming Google, a US company, favors white workers until when? Until less than 10%* of their US workers are white? Is that what being favored means? That companies in your own country look elsewhere to import workers? *Ballpark white global population.

All I'm saying is that your statistic does not disprove the allegation that Google's hiring processes might favor white workers. You're making an apples-to-oranges comparison, and drawing a conclusion that isn't demonstrated by the data. I'm also not saying that these numbers prove that Google does favor white workers. Only that they are not sufficient to disprove the idea.

I'll say that you'd probably want to set your null hypothesis at "presumption of innocence" here.

The general trend I see in the community is that there's a strong belief that google, and by extension, the tech industry, is biased in favor of white workers.

Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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anonygler wrote: post #9

That's insane. The residency program is a way for people from unique backgrounds to enter into the software engineering field with less stringent interview requirements. SWE can pay upwards of $500-600k after 5-10 years of experience. This was an incredible opportunity and it's an absolute shame that internal protests killed it. Yes, you get less pay and a smaller stock refresh, but I know a few people who's careers…

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Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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anonygler wrote: post #9

That's insane. The residency program is a way for people from unique backgrounds to enter into the software engineering field with less stringent interview requirements. SWE can pay upwards of $500-600k after 5-10 years of experience. This was an incredible opportunity and it's an absolute shame that internal protests killed it. Yes, you get less pay and a smaller stock refresh, but I know a few people who's careers…

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Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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anonygler wrote: post #9

That's insane. The residency program is a way for people from unique backgrounds to enter into the software engineering field with less stringent interview requirements. SWE can pay upwards of $500-600k after 5-10 years of experience. This was an incredible opportunity and it's an absolute shame that internal protests killed it. Yes, you get less pay and a smaller stock refresh, but I know a few people who's careers…

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Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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Post by JorkJork »

b20000 wrote: post #70
JorkJork wrote: post #68

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It's bold to assume that the Google interview process accepts all qualified applicants.

bold? as long as there is no discrimination going on they can do what they want. the problem is, there is plenty of discrimination going on. maybe you don’t care because you work there. good for you. sooner or later, it will matter to you.

> the problem is, there is plenty of discrimination going on.

Try "the interview process is bad and has low recall."

> sooner or later, it will matter to you.

It already matters to me.

Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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judge2020 wrote: post #45
ergocoder wrote: post #36

Google has the too much SJW problem. These are extreme leftists who exaggerate everything to the max. I remember in memegen. One person commented that, if you voted for republican, you would be killing me (because they were gay). There were a bunch of mentions like this that just sounded exaggerated that nobody could have a reasonable convo. It is also extremely contradictory. For example, we should get all killers i…

Using an anecdote from one person doesn't actually prove the point you made in the first line. If you can find repeated cases of over-reactions from Googlers over multiple months/years, then you might have evidence to support your argument.

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Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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Post by klipt »

eklitzke wrote: post #23
akomtu wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's "white" even mean? Descendants of north Europeans? Surface albedo of skin greater than 0.85 in the visible spectrum?

Race is self-reported. There isn't someone in Google HR researching your ancestry, they ask you what race you identify as when you join. If you self-identify as white then you are white according to Google HR.

Interesting, that introduces some very skewed incentives: from a game theory perspective it would always be better to lie about your race in HR surveys. Then according to the data, your actual race would be underrepresented and the industry would try to hire more people who look like you, making your next job search easier.

Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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Post by lrem »

gravypod wrote: post #66
JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> SWE can pay upwards of $500-600k after 5-10 years of experience. Just like stores have "up to" 70% discounts. One item is marked off that much, and the rest are given modest discounts. We shouldn't normalize this number as some plain old average, it'd be aspirational for many.

(Opinions are my own. I know nothing about this program.) Using StackOverflow's [0] aggregated statistics of pay based on experience + location we can get some rough estimates Over a 5 to 10 year span as a developer at Google you'd probably touch: Java, Golang, C++, Python, and some part of GCP (or very similar tech). Pay is also different from market location so if we look only at the USA we can look at SF and Manha…

I have hit L6 after 7 years of steep upward trajectory. I have been hired with a PhD and four years of part-time industry experience. I got it now because two years ago our org got a new leader with a mindset very similar to mine, while at the same time a solution I've been developing for a couple years was just found by a tens-of-billions-usd problem.

Sure, over the 7 years I've met a couple engineers with a similar trajectory and one with a steeper one. But the vast majority will either take more time to get to L6, or plain decide to stay forever at 4 or 5.

Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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ergocoder wrote: post #36

Google has the too much SJW problem. These are extreme leftists who exaggerate everything to the max. I remember in memegen. One person commented that, if you voted for republican, you would be killing me (because they were gay). There were a bunch of mentions like this that just sounded exaggerated that nobody could have a reasonable convo. It is also extremely contradictory. For example, we should get all killers i…

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