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Saudi Operatives Who Killed Khashoggi Received Paramilitary Training in U.S.

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Re: Saudi Operatives Who Killed Khashoggi Received Paramilitary Training in U.S.

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rjzzleep wrote: post #68
baybal2 wrote: post #41

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> Why is keeping nice with the Saudi family so important? Why does the US government bend over backwards to cover up for them? Because they spawn outfits who ram airplanes into skyscrapers. I see no logic in this, but some "expert geopolitical strategists" do. Same with Israel, sinks USS Liberty, and then people on the hill go orgasmic, because "higher meaning" — whatever that means. A simpler explanation which seems…

One of the teachers at a major Israeli military university claims that Israel is intentionally acting like a mad dog i.e. willing to take down the rest of the world with them should they go down, and that most European capitols are a target for their airforce. Whether that's rhetoric or reality, I don't think anyone intends to find out.[0] [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/sep/21/israelandthepa... https://en…

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Post by KMag »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #8
michael1999 wrote: post #3

I clicked expecting to enjoy another public black eye for the School of the Americas, and instead I’m left with dread that the USA has privatized that training. Because of course you have.

If it makes you feel any better, many US citizens hate it too. It's stupid both to privatize the military, and to provide military training to repressive authoritarian regimes. America and our democratic allies spent half a century fighting totalitarianism, only to turn around and treat the post-Cold War "peace dividend" as carte-blance to sell out everything we had just finished fighting for. Now authoritarianism is…

> Now authoritarianism is on the rise again as a result.

Perhaps this is an indirect result of the US providing military support to totalitarian regimes, but I don't see how it accounts for a rise in totalitarian/authoritarian tendencies in Russia, China, and other countries that don't receive such aid.

Nationalism and authoritarianism/totalitarianism tend to have more support when economic and other factors make people worried about their futures. In such situations, the natural human instinct is to crave stability at any cost, which opens the door for nationalism and authoritarianism/totalitarianism.

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knownjorbist wrote: post #22
drewcoo wrote: post #10

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> spent half a century fighting totalitarianism By destabilizing and ousting democratically elected leaders around the world and replacing them with our puppets? Or do you mean fighting those puppets when they became inconvenient? I suspect what happened is not the history you think it is.

Your picture may be as narrow-minded as the person you're replying to, but in the other direction. The US also uses its economic clout to push for social, political and economic reforms in other countries as well.

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Post by newsclues »

emptyfile wrote: post #49
bobsil1 wrote: post #9

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They aren’t anymore, are more dependent on US weapons and parts than vice versa

Nah, rich Arabs always diversify their weapons suppliers. If the US doesn't want to earn tens of billions of dollars there's always France, Russia, etc.

Vendor lock in. It’s hard to walk away from billions of dollars of hardware…

And just because the USA does buy and use Saudi oil, doesn’t mean American oil companies aren’t pumping it, shipping it or profiting from its sale. And it’s sold in US dollars

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Post by swarnie_ »

pvaldes wrote: post #54
throwaway210222 wrote: post #34

Does America's ex-military personnel really teach people to dismember bodies? Is that an actual course, or did foreign psychopaths (albeit with state department approval) get training in actual military stuff (shooting, ironing beds, polishing boots, logistics, etc.) and then go on all by themselves to butcher journalists with a carving knife? I don't see the link here, other than a bit or outrage and a wee dopamine…

> Does America's ex-military personnel really teach people to dismember bodies? Would be that more evil than throwing tied men and women alive to the sea from helicopters so they drown, while kidnapping their babies at the same time? I don't think so.

Its a testament to the US military that i can't tell who you're referring to here.

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Post by Intermernet »

knownjorbist wrote: post #22
drewcoo wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> spent half a century fighting totalitarianism By destabilizing and ousting democratically elected leaders around the world and replacing them with our puppets? Or do you mean fighting those puppets when they became inconvenient? I suspect what happened is not the history you think it is.

Your picture may be as narrow-minded as the person you're replying to, but in the other direction. The US also uses its economic clout to push for social, political and economic reforms in other countries as well.

For every example of this you give me, I can give you a pertinent counter example. This should tell you that these actions aren't altruistic.

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Post by Intermernet »

orbifold wrote: post #56
mxxc wrote: post #45

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Let's not confuse payments with loans (Europe is not Israel). Let's also not ignore the fact that there have been plenty of analyses showing that post-WWII Europe showed a natural recovery independent of US aid in several countries, and let's not ignore the shackles imposed by the winning powers on several technologies, not to be developed further. This statement is also incorrect when referred to several key places…

What technologies aside from nuclear weapons are you referring to?

Encryption was heavily controlled for many years. Sanctions on medical technology also come to mind.

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Post by Intermernet »

f6v wrote: post #46
SkyMarshal wrote: post #8

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If it makes you feel any better, many US citizens hate it too. It's stupid both to privatize the military, and to provide military training to repressive authoritarian regimes. America and our democratic allies spent half a century fighting totalitarianism, only to turn around and treat the post-Cold War "peace dividend" as carte-blance to sell out everything we had just finished fighting for. Now authoritarianism is…

> America and our democratic allies spent half a century fighting totalitarianism Maybe they weren't fighting totalitarianism in the first place.

Maybe the real totalitarianism was the friends we met on the way...
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