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Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by systemvoltage »

jhabdas wrote: post #45

Critical Race Theory is affecting both our children's education as well as the military. And the media is playing games right in front of our faces. Here's just one example: IO 26 - Interview with Lt Col Matthew Lohmeier, USAF on CRT in DoD, His Book Irresistible Revolution https://tv.gab.com/channel/creativedestructionmedia/view/io-... Lt. Col. Matthew Lohmeier called out the social justice scam and paid for it with…

Progressive propaganda is insidious not just in schools, but big tech, social media, at NASA and the military, virtue signaling at every opportunity.

Completely unchecked and uncontested. I’m fine with the motifs, but what’s not acceptable is inability to criticize aspects of it without people calling you names and gaining moral superiority over you. It alienates people and is dangerous for the society.

I have a deep philosophical opposition to progressive causes and it’s not stemming from the issues themselves, but the simple fact of mob mentality and unable to listen to all sides. No, all sides doesn’t mean listening to bigoted and unsubstantiated nonsense, but ones who have good points to make and we silence them. Fuck everything about this.

I have voted for liberal causes my whole life (a couple of local exceptions), but it’s getting harder to get behind liberal party for me. It’s a bunch of propaganda in my eyes. Convince me otherwise.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by zero_deg_kevin »

lupire wrote: post #31
BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but to manipulate through dishonesty. That's a narrow view of propaganda. You can manipulate through honesty as well.

I think you are taking a wide view of "honesty".

Is it dishonest for reporters to report factually-accurate on sensational crimes if the reporting leads people to believe sensational crimes happen often? Which circle of hell do I end up in for posting about Shark Week on social media?

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by slg »

ttt0 wrote: post #62
slg wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am sorry but I have no idea how one would come to the conclusion that 90% of journalists are engaging in intentional propaganda. I can understand if you think they have unconscious biases that influence their work, but believing 90% of the profession ix trying to actively manipulate you is just disconnected from reality.

I don't want to necessarily pick on the left here, but the most in-your-face example is all the so-called 'wokeness' in the media. This is a conscious effort to promote the 'inclusiveness' or however you want to phrase it. It's discussed openly how do you want people to react to what you publish. Have you ever considered that it might be your own personal biases that you don't see it?

What percentage of the media do you think engages in this "wokeness" propaganda? It is certainly nowhere even close to 90%.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by jturpin »

tines wrote: post #12
runbathtime wrote: post #7

> Propaganda isn’t bad by its nature (after-all, almost any content that relays information can be considered a form of propaganda). I have to disagree, propaganda is bad, as its aim isn't to inform, but to manipulate through dishonesty.

You're using a different definition than the article. It's developed a negative connotation, but originally it referred to any dissemination of information made to influence public opinion. It refers to the motivation, not the content. Even citing true, non-misleading statistics in order to accomplish something good for society is propaganda, according to the old meaning. ("Propaganda" comes from a word that literall…

I don't know why people are saying the article uses a morally neutral definition of propaganda. It starts with saying "Propaganda is information (delivered through any medium) designed to persuade, manipulate emotion, and change opinion rather than to inform using logical truths and facts. The aim of propaganda is to change minds via the use of emotion, misinformation, disinformation, truths, half-truths, and cleverly selected facts; not to enlighten (although one can technically propagandize true information, using emotion to sell truth, this generally isn’t what we are talking about when we use the term “propaganda”)".

The article's core purpose is to describe manipulative and insincere propaganda strategies so that the reader learns defenses against these strategies. This is very much in line with the negative definition of propaganda, and not just the very general "propagate information" definition.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by reedjosh »

benjohnson wrote: post #59
lupire wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do private schools not have propaganda? Student have over a dozen teachers over the course of education. If they "provide whatever narrative they like " it seems students would get a diverse range of perspectives. Not to mention all the perspectives they get from other authorities like their churches, clubs, family members, and... every adult they encounter, and every book too.

Yes. Private school do have 'propaganda' - but that's perfectly ok if it aligns with the parent's wishes. As the parents, we have the right to chose how our children are raised.

> As the parents, we have the right to chose how our children are raised.

Downvoted for raising your children as you'd like. Lol, that's HN for ya.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by reedjosh »

systemvoltage wrote: post #71
jhabdas wrote: post #45

Critical Race Theory is affecting both our children's education as well as the military. And the media is playing games right in front of our faces. Here's just one example: IO 26 - Interview with Lt Col Matthew Lohmeier, USAF on CRT in DoD, His Book Irresistible Revolution https://tv.gab.com/channel/creativedestructionmedia/view/io-... Lt. Col. Matthew Lohmeier called out the social justice scam and paid for it with…

Progressive propaganda is insidious not just in schools, but big tech, social media, at NASA and the military, virtue signaling at every opportunity. Completely unchecked and uncontested. I’m fine with the motifs, but what’s not acceptable is inability to criticize aspects of it without people calling you names and gaining moral superiority over you. It alienates people and is dangerous for the society. I have a deep…

> at NASA

Yup...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODfOvQ6FGXI

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by ttt0 »

slg wrote: post #73
ttt0 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to necessarily pick on the left here, but the most in-your-face example is all the so-called 'wokeness' in the media. This is a conscious effort to promote the 'inclusiveness' or however you want to phrase it. It's discussed openly how do you want people to react to what you publish. Have you ever considered that it might be your own personal biases that you don't see it?

What percentage of the media do you think engages in this "wokeness" propaganda? It is certainly nowhere even close to 90%.

Of course, it can't be anywhere near close to 90% as it's limited to just the left-leaning media, which is probably at most half of all media. I don't know the exact numbers, but I repeat again, it's only the most in-your-face example and the propaganda doesn't end on 'wokeness'.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by pc86 »

cbsmith wrote: post #50
stronglikedan wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do, but the parents have more of a say, since they're paying for it. And, since they can afford it, they have a choice of schools should their complaints fall on deaf ears.

Right, so effectively you are getting more propaganda from one point of view. At least when there is conflicting propaganda, there's some hope.

I don't think the goal with public education should be allowing wildly conflicting propaganda.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by ab737 »

slg wrote: post #18
WalterBright wrote: post #13

Once you learn the propaganda techniques, you start seeing it everywhere in the mainstream media. I used to think about 10% of the mainstream media was propaganda, now it seems like about 90%.

Doesn't propaganda require intent? You may be seeing bias but that isn't the same as propaganda.

Bias doesn't exist without intent. Even implicit bias implies intent.
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