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Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by busterarm »

wonderwonder wrote: post #65
busterarm wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine being a Jew and suddenly finding this guy not only not-fired but on your team. I'll take hostile work environment for 1000, Alex. Thing is, I wouldn't want to work with this person at my company period.

I'm a Jew. If he apologized publicly and it was a long time ago, I think it would be ok. We have to be able to give people second chances and the ability to evolve their views. If someone was a neo nazi as a youth and grew out of it and regretted their past then they should be allowed to live a normal life. Preventing this just leads to more radicalization.

While in sentiment I agree with you, this is not being applied consistently throughout society. We are currently in an environment of maximum consequences, no tolerance afforded. Until something pulls us back from the brink, it needs to be that way consistently or more tensions will be inflamed.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by _y5hn »

tobesure wrote: post #16
joenathanone wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nick Cannon apologized Wednesday night for comments he called "hurtful and divisive" after the television host and producer was dropped by ViacomCBS for remarks the company called anti-Semitic. First sentence from your link, seems like maybe you are just trying to be controversial.

There are additional examples, but posting them and discussing the normalization of anti-white racism is "flamebait" and will get your account suspended on HN for "ideological battles". In any case the fact that he hasn't been completely cancelled speaks to the unique status that anti-white racism has over other forms.

It is better to point out how it is counterproductive and offer better arguments on the table. Because we won't bring "balance" by stomping on some other ethnic group, or fall into even more generalization about groups of people.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by yonixw »

jewnotzionist wrote: post #33
ostenning wrote: post #6

Here is a classic case of someone conflating the state of Israel and Jewish people and lumping it all together. Plenty of Jewish people that live both inside and outside of Israel are critical of the state. People can be critical of the state of Israel, but they should not be antisemitic. His comments are offensive for this reason.

That is, of course, true. However part of the problem is that zionists within the state of Israel work really hard to blur this distinction. You can see for example arguments being made in that sense in this debate here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1VTt_THL4A Or the French parliament deciding that anti-Zionism is antisemitism: https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/french-parliamen... Even within Israel the…

Another part of the problem is when the criticizers forget that Zionism got a huge boost after pogroms on Jewish communities across Europe.

So, by criticising Zionism in a middle of a self defense operation in Gaza (as they see it), you look like you don't know its roots and look like they ignoring the Jewish right for self defense.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by busterarm »

londons_explore wrote: post #64
busterarm wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine being a Jew and suddenly finding this guy not only not-fired but on your team. I'll take hostile work environment for 1000, Alex. Thing is, I wouldn't want to work with this person at my company period.

I would. As long as he can keep his work and private lives seperate, and doesn't let these opinions infiltrate the work life, all is fine. Just like kinky sex is fine for someone at home, but a fireable offence if done in the office. If I saw him write stuff like this in an internal memo, that would be the time to fire him.

Some people are more sensitive to affected by anti-semitism than others. That's the issue.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by zuminator »

nazca wrote: post #37

Slightly shocking that he didn't get fired. (yet?) They fired Damore for writing an email that was tone-deaf, insensitive, but largely supported by research. Bobb goes on a clearly antisemitic rant, and just gets reassigned. Is Google inconsistent, or has their policy on how to deal with these things changed over the past few years?

Damore held and advanced his beliefs while working for Google. Bobb went on his "rant" (actually just one instance) back in 2007 and has recanted his beliefs. So the disparate treatment is based on disparate behavior, which isn't on its own an inconsistency nor necessarily a policy change.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by mikewarot »

So, it took some digging, but here is the text

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:luIscB...

As you can see, it's a quite well written critique of Israel, and it is definitely NOT anti-Semitic.

I find it quite ironic that it took Google's cache to find the thing Google itself wants canceled

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by staplers »

cousin_it wrote: post #34
Tomte wrote: post #3

> Instead of firing him, though, Google is moving Bobb into a STEM-focused role. That's surprising, but I think it's good. He's obviously not viable in the diversity role, but there's no reason to go ballistic over a 15 year old blog post.

Yeah, seems like a good compromise. There's a big difference between "we don't want our spokesperson to say X" and "we want to make people saying X unemployable". I wish the second didn't happen at all. I wish all people saying things hateful to me could find nice jobs and get assimilated into live & let live. What else should I wish, that they'd die poor in a ditch and their kids too?

That's several steps beyond what most in society are capable of foreshadowing.

A society of mad kings (on all political sides) who want anyone not like them "taken away" with little solutions on actually fixing the problems that caused the disagreement.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by [deleted] »

rightorwrong128 wrote: post #47

I really can't tell if this is right or wrong. On one hand, these comments are hurtful and obviously stupid. On the other hand, this post is 13 years old. We all say or think stupid things sometimes, especially when we're naive about a topic. Isn't it possible his stance has changed? All this publicity now may have ruined this guy's career forever, all because the scribbled down some random stupid thoughts more than…

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