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Companies that make money by distributing misleading versions of VLC

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Re: Companies that make money by distributing misleading versions of VLC

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sudo apt-get install vlc. Really easy, so may be google is not the best way to download and install software ?

Obviously this is the best way to get it.

But when I send some video to my friends/relatives and they can't play it, I have to say "use VLC". If I forget to send the URL, there's a danger they'll fall into some spam site.

Re: Companies that make money by distributing misleading versions of VLC

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Fake anti-virus software, counterfeit pharmacies, counterfeit products in general, malware of all sorts. Google have been taking their money for years. They have the resources not to. That's pretty shitty behaviour that endangers their users in my book.

>They have the resources not to. This point is crucial. Could you elaborate?

Google has billions in cash sitting around, I'm sure if they hired a few thousand people to deal with this problem that some significant strides could be made. This, however, may not be the most prudent use of resources (cash).

Re: Companies that make money by distributing misleading versions of VLC

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Well, this is about misalignment of incentives. If you are a search user, you are not Google's customer . You are their product . They sell you to people who buy adwords - whoever they may be.

OK, this line of reasoning is all over the place. All it does is expose that you know close to nothing about how Google works. There are in fact, many hundreds of engineers whose sole incentive (e.g. promotions and salary adjustments) and purpose in their job is to make sure that your search results are good. These engineers are /not/ the engineers that are in charge of designing or running the systems that sell ads.…

Keeping things just good enough that search users return is not the same set of incentives as delivering search that meets the comprehensive set of user wants.

Your instinctual reaction to frame this in the context of a market is faulty. ALL of the major search players operate under the conceptual mode of users as product, advertisers as customers. The same is true with other media companies (TV, newspaper, etc). That seems to be the only model the market will currently bear, as the existence of media giants is predicated on their ability to accelerate consumption

Re: Companies that make money by distributing misleading versions of VLC

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So of course I agree that spam results are the heart of evil. But I'm confused. After reading the DDG comment, I plugged both "VLC" and "VLC Media Player" into both google and DDG, expecting to see bad results at google. Instead, the top 4 results (ignoring ads, of course) all point to videolan.org. Is this a case of my results being pre-filtered or something? I don't recall hitting the "this is stupid, make it go away" button too often on Google.

Re: Companies that make money by distributing misleading versions of VLC

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But don't you see that if Google sells no ads, those people working to make your search better don't get paid either?

I can see that, but you're making the fundamental mistake that just because something is plausible that it is actually happening. There's enough moving parts here that arguments are not sufficient.

No, it is a valid point. To lose sight of that is to forget they're a business.

You don't pay them directly. Yes, they get paid based on your repeat usage, but they get paid by advertisers.

Re: Companies that make money by distributing misleading versions of VLC

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~2 minutes of pro-bono work: http://www.opensiteexplorer.org/ Put in name of the bad guys. Find the blogs who blogged about their sites. http://webylife.com/design/top-10-brand-logo-mistakes/commen... http://www.dragonblogger.com/entertainment-television/ etc, etc. Contact them, ask them to change the link to the spam site with a link to your site. It's stupid gruntwork, you'll need lots of it, and it will be like pl…

VLC has been linked by high profile sites for many years now. Adding yet another link from "linuxmag" isn't going to help. The real issue is that the SEO guys are just too good and can poison the well with impunity. I feel only better competition can help this. Maybe the Bing guys can do a better job and eat Google's lunch. Quick search on Bing shows the first few links are legit but the last one isn't (and is identi…

I think the point is to remove the links from linuxmag to the bad guys.

Re: Companies that make money by distributing misleading versions of VLC

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~2 minutes of pro-bono work: http://www.opensiteexplorer.org/ Put in name of the bad guys. Find the blogs who blogged about their sites. http://webylife.com/design/top-10-brand-logo-mistakes/commen... http://www.dragonblogger.com/entertainment-television/ etc, etc. Contact them, ask them to change the link to the spam site with a link to your site. It's stupid gruntwork, you'll need lots of it, and it will be like pl…

VLC has been linked by high profile sites for many years now. Adding yet another link from "linuxmag" isn't going to help. The real issue is that the SEO guys are just too good and can poison the well with impunity. I feel only better competition can help this. Maybe the Bing guys can do a better job and eat Google's lunch. Quick search on Bing shows the first few links are legit but the last one isn't (and is identi…

LinuxMag is hardly high-profile. It's audience is pretty focused and limited. I imagine the audience size of the referring site influences Google's rank on the SERP.

Re: Companies that make money by distributing misleading versions of VLC

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Which of those would be okay in a copyright-less world? Which ones are morally/ethically bad (without copyright law)?

There is no "copyright-less world," but pot sure is fun, isn't it?

I don't smoke the chronic, thanks for making an assumption and reducing the level of debate here to a juvenile level.

Laws aren't natural, they're man-made things and they can be removed if they cause more problems than they solve.

Re: Companies that make money by distributing misleading versions of VLC

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They can create their own versions of those spam sites that offer the genuine product. That's what I would do, and they should have bought up some of those domain names earlier. The URL gives a lot of hints and definitely helps SEO.

This takes a huge amount of time to do, especially when people behind VLC are doing it as a volunteer work...

it wouldn't take that long and they should be getting paid for their work as well. why not ask someone to volunteer and do this so they can get back to work on VLC itself? why not ask for some donations?

Re: Companies that make money by distributing misleading versions of VLC

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~2 minutes of pro-bono work: http://www.opensiteexplorer.org/ Put in name of the bad guys. Find the blogs who blogged about their sites. http://webylife.com/design/top-10-brand-logo-mistakes/commen... http://www.dragonblogger.com/entertainment-television/ etc, etc. Contact them, ask them to change the link to the spam site with a link to your site. It's stupid gruntwork, you'll need lots of it, and it will be like pl…

VLC has been linked by high profile sites for many years now. Adding yet another link from "linuxmag" isn't going to help. The real issue is that the SEO guys are just too good and can poison the well with impunity. I feel only better competition can help this. Maybe the Bing guys can do a better job and eat Google's lunch. Quick search on Bing shows the first few links are legit but the last one isn't (and is identi…

The point isn't to increase the number of high profile sites that link to VLC, the point is decrease the number of high profile sites that link to your spammer.
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