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Re: California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

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Post by CheezeIt » Wed, Jun 02, 2021, 6:56 PM UTC

whateveracct wrote: post #33

takeda wrote: post #21

I hope this won't be similar to decriminalizing weed where people assumed it's also fine to drive while high :/

Legalizing weed didn't do that. There's always been an opinion (argument?) that driving high is fine. Carl Sagan even discusses it in Mr. X (1969): > I have mentioned that in the cannabis experience there is a part of your mind that remains a dispassionate observer, who is able to take you down in a hurry if need be. I have on a few occasions been forced to drive in heavy traffic when high. I’ve negotiated it with no…

Yes it did. Traffic deaths in Colorado have grown much faster than the population and much more than the national rate, since legalization.

Re: California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

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Post by vmception » Wed, Jun 02, 2021, 6:56 PM UTC

whateveracct wrote: post #28

sergiotapia wrote: post #27

Doesn't california have a massive drug problem and literal armies of drug addicts shitting in the streets and harassing families and tax-payers? How will this help?

The drug problem isn't with psychedelics. If you think "drugs is drugs" - then reconsider.

The opposition party thinks we will have re-education camps, might as well do it and re-educate people regarding drugs with specific studies instead of anecdotes

Pre-requisite for a driver’s license

Re: California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

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Post by jonfw » Wed, Jun 02, 2021, 6:56 PM UTC

sergiotapia wrote: post #27

Doesn't california have a massive drug problem and literal armies of drug addicts shitting in the streets and harassing families and tax-payers? How will this help?

How has criminalization helped?

Prohibition fundamentally doesn't work. If there are 'armies of drug addicts shitting in the streets', it seems that the drugs to sustain these armies must be readily available.

Prohibition creates a massive disincentive for users to interact or cooperate with the state. This could enable policing in communities where police usually aren't welcome, and this could enable social workers to reach communities who no longer have reason to fear a state authority.

If I'm a woman who has a stash of mushrooms and is a victim of domestic abuse- I'm significantly less likely to seek help for fear of arrest.

Re: California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

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Post by TrispusAttucks » Wed, Jun 02, 2021, 6:57 PM UTC

zucker42 wrote: post #43

sergiotapia wrote: post #27

Doesn't california have a massive drug problem and literal armies of drug addicts shitting in the streets and harassing families and tax-payers? How will this help?

No, the area of the country with the biggest drug problem is Appalachia [1]. California is better than most states in terms of drug overdose deaths. And as others have pointed out, psychedelics aren't really the problematic drugs. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/drug_poisoning_mor...

While true, I'm not certain that drug overdoses directly correlates with homelessness, which is what I think the parent was highlighting.

Re: California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

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Post by whimsicalism » Wed, Jun 02, 2021, 6:57 PM UTC

bdamm wrote: post #56

stormbrew wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems much more likely that the people shitting in the streets are actually people who have nowhere else to shit. That's what happens when you have a lot of homeless people in a very urbanized area and don't do anything to help them except 'kindly' pretend they don't exist.

Is there any evidence that "helping" people by handing out free money actually results in good outcomes? Seems that it usually results in a bigger population of homeless, as they flock in from other parts of the country. Seriously, data-based evidence of how to help homeless populations that has actual real-world testing would be really useful. Vague "provide them help" seems to usually just translate into "spend non…

> Is there any evidence that "helping" people by handing out free money actually results in good outcomes?

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/06/01/hunger-h...

> bigger population of homeless, as they flock in from other parts of the country

This is the same population of homeless, not a larger one.

Re: California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

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Post by namesbc » Wed, Jun 02, 2021, 6:57 PM UTC

sergiotapia wrote: post #27

Doesn't california have a massive drug problem and literal armies of drug addicts shitting in the streets and harassing families and tax-payers? How will this help?

No, it does not. Stop reading reactionary right wing propaganda if you care about reality.

Re: California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

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Post by whateveracct » Wed, Jun 02, 2021, 6:58 PM UTC

CheezeIt wrote: post #71

whateveracct wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Legalizing weed didn't do that. There's always been an opinion (argument?) that driving high is fine. Carl Sagan even discusses it in Mr. X (1969): > I have mentioned that in the cannabis experience there is a part of your mind that remains a dispassionate observer, who is able to take you down in a hurry if need be. I have on a few occasions been forced to drive in heavy traffic when high. I’ve negotiated it with no…

Yes it did. Traffic deaths in Colorado have grown much faster than the population and much more than the national rate, since legalization.

That doesn't mean it made people's opinion of driving high more favorable. It could just mean more people are high period, but the rate of people who drive high remained the same.

Re: California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

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Post by whateveracct » Wed, Jun 02, 2021, 6:58 PM UTC

thatcat wrote: post #54

whateveracct wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Legalizing weed didn't do that. There's always been an opinion (argument?) that driving high is fine. Carl Sagan even discusses it in Mr. X (1969): > I have mentioned that in the cannabis experience there is a part of your mind that remains a dispassionate observer, who is able to take you down in a hurry if need be. I have on a few occasions been forced to drive in heavy traffic when high. I’ve negotiated it with no…

Yea, it's actually a banned substance in esports racing because of it's known performance enhancing qualities.

hah I did not know that

Does this mean all my rhythm game personal best are invalid '-'

Re: California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

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Post by giantg2 » Wed, Jun 02, 2021, 6:58 PM UTC

fnord77 wrote: post #5

SocksCanClose wrote: post #3

lots of combat veterans are seeing good outcomes with this type of treatment...

it is promising, but there's not enough data to say this for sure. decriminalizing it will make running studies easier.

Will it though? The feds could still come after you if you're publishing research that admits possession, etc.

Re: California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

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Post by bdamm » Wed, Jun 02, 2021, 6:58 PM UTC

telotortium wrote: post #32

jeffbee wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone know why states have bicameral legislatures?

Modeling themselves after the US Congress, itself modeled after the British Parliament (House of Commons and House of Lords). I personally believe bicameral legislatures - allowing houses to deadlock on a bill - are a terrible idea. Either unicameral (used by one US State, Nebraska) or tricameral legislatures, with 2 out of 3 houses needing to approve a bill for it to pass, make much more sense.

Canada is effectively unicameral. Random data point.