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New Details Emerge on the “Highly Modified Drone” That Outran Police Helicopters

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Re: New Details Emerge on the “Highly Modified Drone” That Outran Police Helicopters

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Someone in the article comments pointed out that everything described could be accomplished by a $25,000 off the shelf drone from lockheed [1]. Now that's not something you find on every street corner, but well within the range of 'training some bored enlisted guys' or 'contractors on an evening test mission'. I'm not sure if they sell those to energy companies, but if so that fits as well. I've heard many stories of…

That drone is battery powered and has a ceiling of hundreds of feet. So no. You would also be able to see it with night vision. They reported that they weren’t able to see it with night vision which seems impossible at first. But they probably were able to do that by painting it with something like vanta-black. Nobody is building something like that with 25k. Sure you could build it, but it wouldn’t work. And it woul…

Fair enough on the flight ceiling, I misread that, so it's a substantially higher spec drone.

> idiot employee at government contractor) or if they had an interest in doing this

I guess that's where my Hanlon's razor comes in. Idiot employee(s) just seems so much more reasonable to me.

China is testing a hardcore stealth drone over a military base, but chooses one in CONUS in a highly civilian accessible major metro area, and then leaves the running lights on? It strikes me as far less likely than domestic alternatives.

Re: New Details Emerge on the “Highly Modified Drone” That Outran Police Helicopters

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We have reached the tech level where individuals or a small group of enthusiasts can compete in the nation state arena. This is within that realm.

We always were in that realm. “Nation states” are not some god-like, invincible entity. They’re groups of people with a budget.

Seeking friends with a budget for nuclear submarines, and hypersonic missiles.

I personally got $5 on it.

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According to the description “The quad copter was described as approximately 5 feet long by about 3 feet wide, with a single green flashing LED light.”

Odd that the creators of the drone bothered with a flashing light.

Green is close to the center of the visible light spectrum. If somebody wanted to track it visually from a great distance, (perhaps from a nearby mountain?) this would make it easier to spot.

This would be beneficial for a two person team. The drone operator watching the video feed and a spotter providing positions of pursuit aircraft.

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> they believed the drone was highly unlikely to be battery-powered based on the altitude, distance, and speed at which it flew Does that mean it's gasoline powered? Do we have many details on gas powered drones ? i.e. the kind of range, altitude and speed they can achieve?

You can buy jet engines for RC airplanes. A quick search shows that folks have clocked their RC jets at ~750km/h, about half the speed of sound.

Wow, now that's impressive:

https://youtu.be/DPGDAZyQ44k?t=139

Re: New Details Emerge on the “Highly Modified Drone” That Outran Police Helicopters

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My money is on a foreign hostile entity, but not for a scouting operation, this is an exercise in deterrence. This is someone who wanted to let the US know that they are capable of getting a high-end drone into the country and launch it near important civilian and military infrastructure. Which is also why they would affix it with a bright LED light, they wanted to get noticed and then show off its capabilities. It m…

Why not do it like the U.S. and just show off the weapon on soil with domestic press coverage and not risk a diplomatic incident? You don't have to show your whole hand, iirc when they showed the press the B2 they didn't let them see the rear of the plane.

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My money is on a foreign hostile entity, but not for a scouting operation, this is an exercise in deterrence. This is someone who wanted to let the US know that they are capable of getting a high-end drone into the country and launch it near important civilian and military infrastructure. Which is also why they would affix it with a bright LED light, they wanted to get noticed and then show off its capabilities. It m…

How would deterrence work when no one has any idea who the drone belonged to?

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There are a few inconsistencies that lead me to not believe the numbers.

>>It was last seen climbing through 14,000’ and into the undercast, where it disappeared.

>>Department's helicopter was unable to observe the drone when looking through night vision goggles.

If this was heading up to 14k while being chased by helicopters, it wasn't a battery-powered quad. A medium sized drone would have to be powered by IC to perform like that. If it was IC, or even high-powered batteries, it would have been hot enough to look like a flare under night vision goggles.

Or, it didn't go to 14k. It sounds to me like the chase helo lost sight of it and assumed that was because it hit the clouds. The light was dim and the drone had a single flashing light. It is very difficult to judge distance to a single light in twilight. The helicopter could easily have misjudged the distance/altitude. I think the helicopter lost sight because the drone turned off the flashing light. Or maybe the drone lost power and fell. Either way, the chasing helicopter thought it had hit the cloud layer when it fact the drone might have been much lower.

And 14k is 4k above where the police helicopter would have stopped climbing. Aircraft heading above 10k are going to want pressurization and/or oxygen masks. A cop helicopter won't go that high willingly.

>>the fact that it outran two law enforcement helicopters is also concerning

That doesn't mean much. Law enforcement helicopters are nothing special. A fast car or motorcycle can outrun a helicopter in a strait line. And cop helicopters aren't meant to enforce air rules. Every Cessna-172 can outrun a police helicopter. Heck, at night a Cesna-152 could probably evade them, especially if the helos are trying to obey the rules for flying near airports.

Lastly, given the collision risk involved in "chasing" anything in the air, I'm surprised these helicopters were even allowed to give chase. If I were ATC and saw a cop helicopter chasing another smaller helicopter/drone over a populated area I would do my best to stop this before both crashed into a school.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That drone is battery powered and has a ceiling of hundreds of feet. So no. You would also be able to see it with night vision. They reported that they weren’t able to see it with night vision which seems impossible at first. But they probably were able to do that by painting it with something like vanta-black. Nobody is building something like that with 25k. Sure you could build it, but it wouldn’t work. And it woul…

Fair enough on the flight ceiling, I misread that, so it's a substantially higher spec drone. > idiot employee at government contractor) or if they had an interest in doing this I guess that's where my Hanlon's razor comes in. Idiot employee(s) just seems so much more reasonable to me. China is testing a hardcore stealth drone over a military base, but chooses one in CONUS in a highly civilian accessible major metro…

Holy shit it was China after all. They linked to this in the article.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/36085/troubling-drone-...

That is terrifying.

They commit brazen acts of cyber espionage targeting our infrastructure all the time so it doesn’t seem like much of a stretch for them to do something like this.

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My money is on a foreign hostile entity, but not for a scouting operation, this is an exercise in deterrence. This is someone who wanted to let the US know that they are capable of getting a high-end drone into the country and launch it near important civilian and military infrastructure. Which is also why they would affix it with a bright LED light, they wanted to get noticed and then show off its capabilities. It m…

"Supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting." - Art of War 3:2

Re: New Details Emerge on the “Highly Modified Drone” That Outran Police Helicopters

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Um, is anyone else thinking how impossible this would be with current tech?

50 miles during one stretch. And on the helicopter that followed it, it logged 1.5 hours of flight time! The radio control tech must have been extremely tuned for that range. Maybe a vehicle was driving below it.

I am picturing at least 5KWh battery that should weigh at least 75 pounds (total guestimation)

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