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Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Post by jancsika »

6f8986c3 wrote: post #52
CaptainZapp wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If more states ban covid-passports, I wonder if the EU would rather not have tourists than allow visitations. That's certainly a possibility if safety really is a concern. But I'd wager that the average American anti Covid fanatic (the sort: Masks are fascism! It's like what the nazis did with the jews!) is not really the kind of person travelling the world. I don't think that others, who want to travel the world r…

> That's certainly a possibility if safety really is a concern. But I'd wager that the average American anti Covid fanatic (the sort: Masks are fascism! It's like what the nazis did with the jews!) is not really the kind of person travelling the world. That is incredibly mean-spirited. And exactly what I have come to expect. I am fully vaccinated: measles, rubella, all the rest. I will not get the COVID shot. I never…

Mainstream: I agree. We are reasonable, independent-minded Americans who are rightly skeptical of a highly experimental new..

Ohio couples vaccine jabs with a lottery

Mainstream: Hot damn I like them odds!

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

6f8986c3 wrote: post #67
mittermayr wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"If I die, that's my problem." — if it were that easy, I'd be fully on board with you. I am not a fan of being told what I should be doing. In a society (like they say, no man is an island), however, it's not always that clear cut. Once you're infected, the disease does not only affect you and your body. You pass it on to others, you may have an unexpected reaction (which can now be said with quite some certainty, is…

> You pass it on to others Those "others" have spent the past five years screaming at me and threatening me. I stopped caring about or listening to them a long time ago.

> My attitude is mainstream.

> Those "others" have spent the past five years screaming at me and threatening me.

So... you first claim that the mainstream view is yours, and that you won't be vaccinated so assumedly the mainstream won't (even though by the numbers that's clearly not true as 62% of adults already have one shot[1] and that number is sure to continue to grow), but then you claim that the "others" you don't care are the people that apparently don't share your view and you're OK with threatening them. This doesn't make a lot of sense given that the "mainstream" who shares your view will not be vaccinating so those will be the people your actions threaten, not the "others" who have been threatening you and don't share your views, as they will be vaccinated.

Your argument and beliefs aren't making a lot of sense, outside of what appears to be a desire to be in the popular in-group while also simultaneously being contrarian.

[1]https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/covid-19-vaccine...

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Post by frankfrankfrank »

Pyramus wrote: post #26
CaptainZapp wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If more states ban covid-passports, I wonder if the EU would rather not have tourists than allow visitations. That's certainly a possibility if safety really is a concern. But I'd wager that the average American anti Covid fanatic (the sort: Masks are fascism! It's like what the nazis did with the jews!) is not really the kind of person travelling the world. I don't think that others, who want to travel the world r…

> The whole principle that you need to prove vaccination to be let into a country is not really new. Exactly. Necessary and recommended vaccinations are one of the first things to check when planning a trip to destinations in Africa, South East Asia etc.

As someone with a vaccine passport issued by the US government and sponsored by the UN from the past, I would like to ask people to think beyond the pandemic and even the vaccine itself. People are clearly not following the logic to even just a few steps forward, let alone to its final conclusion.

This is not about vaccines or even this or any other pandemic, it's about control and even engineering humans. It should not be hard to find the leaked ~2004 pentagon briefing on the use of vaccines to alter the minds of people to become less "extreme". You may think that is a good thing, because of course, we have all be conditioned that extreme = bad; but what happens when your position becomes "extreme", or you do not even realize you are not able to have certain thoughts or feelings because your mind has been altered to where you don't have such "extreme" thoughts as you would have otherwise had, e.g., maybe you want to be free to choose thing for yourself like an extremist.

And yes, that pentagon briefing on the already then proven method to use vaccines to permanently alter brain functions exists and can be found if one looks for it.

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Post by snovv_crash »

swiley wrote: post #39
CaptainZapp wrote: post #33

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You actually get heavily fined when you move to Switzerland and use your foreign license for more than a year. Exchanging it is a small formality in most cases, but you need to do it.

Doesn't that creep you out at least a little bit?

No. Why? Because there is civilian oversight.

Compare this with the US, where if I want to give a proof of address for a phone contract, or a car lease, or anything else. In the US, I need to go to a private, for profit organisation who will send me some mail, and then by receiving this mail I 'prove' that I live at this address. No civilian oversight, in fact they can sell that data to whoever they want

With the Swiss (or German) system, you get a proof of address when you register at your local center. They're also the ones who handle things like marriage certificates, death certificates, etc. And then if they do something with the data that you're unhappy with, you vote in new laws saying what is and isn't acceptable.

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Post by michaelmior »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #60
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #2

Seems complex for something that probably never going to see any real use.

> something that probably never going to see any real use Loads of venues and events in New York are requiring an Excelsior pass. Some will allow persons with out-of-state IDs in with paperwork inspection, but that’s a slower line.

Interesting. I'm not in NYC, so I haven't seen this. Upstate so far it just seems vaccination status is only affecting masking requirements and no one is actually checking.

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Post by toomuchtodo »

mirekrusin wrote: post #30
Pyramus wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The whole principle that you need to prove vaccination to be let into a country is not really new. Exactly. Necessary and recommended vaccinations are one of the first things to check when planning a trip to destinations in Africa, South East Asia etc.

In many countries they don't accept kids to nursery without up to date vacinnation card.

They also don’t allow you to collect welfare unless you and your kids have received your vaccinations (Australia).

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Post by account42 »

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #40
CaptainZapp wrote: post #37

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I have my Covid shots entered into the WHO yellow vaccination passport and assume that's good enough for the time being until a specific "QR code passport" is released. edited to add: Why should a civilized country just revoke certification once you're fully vaccinated?

When the new apps and digital certificates were announced, being able to revoke certification at any time was touted as one of their major advantages over traditional vaccine certificates. This way, if a new variant arises that preexisting vaccines don’t protect against, or if a state wants to enforce annual booster shots, they can just invalidate older certificates by updating the database entry to which the QR code…

Neither new variants and boosters are reasons for revokation as both are better served by information about the vaccine administered and a timestamp.

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Post by mercora »

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #40
CaptainZapp wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have my Covid shots entered into the WHO yellow vaccination passport and assume that's good enough for the time being until a specific "QR code passport" is released. edited to add: Why should a civilized country just revoke certification once you're fully vaccinated?

When the new apps and digital certificates were announced, being able to revoke certification at any time was touted as one of their major advantages over traditional vaccine certificates. This way, if a new variant arises that preexisting vaccines don’t protect against, or if a state wants to enforce annual booster shots, they can just invalidate older certificates by updating the database entry to which the QR code…

if there is a new vaccine required or some follow up procedure or whatever it would make more sense to hand out a new certificate that validates this fact instead of revoking the old one that is actually still perfectly able to validate your previous actions. In fact it might be very beneficial to keep them around to give approval to another step like lets say you will only get that booster shot after you are able to present validation of your vaccination or similar... invalidating these certificates by giving them a date until they are valid is very easy without explicitly revoking certificates.

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Post by slumdev »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #21
mensetmanusman wrote: post #13

From the G7 agenda reporting: “ Last Friday morning, during an interview on Good Morning America, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said the Biden administration was taking “a very close look” at the possibility of vaccine passports for travel into and out of the United States. However by Friday afternoon the Department of Homeland Security was clarifying Mayorkas’ statement. The DHS says there won’…

> If more states ban covid-passports, I wonder if the EU would rather not have tourists than allow visitations. That's certainly a possibility if safety really is a concern. But I'd wager that the average American anti Covid fanatic (the sort: Masks are fascism! It's like what the nazis did with the jews!) is not really the kind of person travelling the world. I don't think that others, who want to travel the world r…

> I'd wager that the average American anti Covid fanatic (the sort: Masks are fascism! It's like what the nazis did with the jews!) is not really the kind of person travelling the world.

You'd be wrong.

I've received more vaccines than 99.99% of the people you meet. I visit the doctor and get every jab that's recommended before every international trip (along with documentation for my prescriptions in case I'm questioned about them at a border,) but I will not receive any of the SARS-CoV-2 vaccines until they are adequately tested. Adequate testing takes about a decade. I'm not really concerned about their efficacy, but anyone who tells you that their long-term safety is already established is lying to you.

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