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Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by capableweb »

odiroot wrote: post #65
helsinkiandrew wrote: post #9

It looks like the Belarus KGB was on the flight anyway - presumably the journalist was being followed/tracked: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/24/belarus-seizur...

It would have been ironic if the flight was overbooked and they couldn't buy a ticket/board.

If you're associated with the Belarus KGB it's probably not too hard to have some passengers suddenly missing their flight for one or another reason. Probably they don't even need to buy a ticket, flash your badge at the airport and most guards/staff there lets you through.

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by mcky »

capableweb wrote: post #71
odiroot wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would have been ironic if the flight was overbooked and they couldn't buy a ticket/board.

If you're associated with the Belarus KGB it's probably not too hard to have some passengers suddenly missing their flight for one or another reason. Probably they don't even need to buy a ticket, flash your badge at the airport and most guards/staff there lets you through.

I'm not sure how kindly the Greek authorities would take having KGB operatives on their soil

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by BBC-vs-neolibs »

capableweb wrote: post #71
odiroot wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would have been ironic if the flight was overbooked and they couldn't buy a ticket/board.

If you're associated with the Belarus KGB it's probably not too hard to have some passengers suddenly missing their flight for one or another reason. Probably they don't even need to buy a ticket, flash your badge at the airport and most guards/staff there lets you through.

WHY would it work like that?

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by withinboredom »

Hnrobert42 wrote: post #67
Kbelicius wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are mixing id with passport. I doubt that you need a passport to fly internally in US. I know that as a EU citizen you absolutely do not need a passport to fly within the EU but you do need some form of id.

You do not need a passport although you can use one. A driver’s license or other government issued ID is sufficient. It may even be possible to fly without an ID, like if it was stolen or lost, but it would be a holy mess. The comedian Hannibal Burress has a funny bit about it.

In Kentucky (at least back in the day), several people who knew you a long time, vouching for your identity was all that was required to be that person. I wonder if anyone ever tried it to get on a flight?

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by raverbashing »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #46
philwelch wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US citizens taking domestic flights have to show ID.

I did not know that. Some websites claim US nationals do not need a passport to travel domestically https://www.skyscanner.com/tips-and-inspiration/editorial/pa... and while in 2021 europa.eu website says EU nationals do not need a passport to travel within Schengen this has already been not true before covid. Arrive at FRA or MUC or CDG and you will end up having to show your passport either at a manned booth or a m…

You need an ID (like a national ID, I think health insurance or equivalent might work as well), not necessarily a passport. Really, every country pretty much requires this.

(Or you're arriving from a non-Schengen country)

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by withinboredom »

gabereiser wrote: post #28
toast0 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fly private?

In some cases, private carriers also share passenger manifests to Sabre along with their approved IFR plan. They call it PNR. Passenger Name Registry.

Fly VFR instead of IFR?

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by MomoXenosaga »

dannyw wrote: post #16
baybal2 wrote: post #4

Yes, they do, in fact, almost everybody in the travel industry can get its hands on PNRs, and manifests. A travel history of almost everybody can be reconstructed fully for the last ~10 years from those databases. And of course that stuff went to .onion sites. That's just like almost everybody's financial information collected, and reported for the sake of "counterterrorism" (CRS,) and, soon, SIM card subscriber data…

Not sure what country you're referring to but I highly doubt border control agents have access to parking tickets.

But they do? You have to pay any open fines before you leave the country. At least that's how it works here.

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by jeltz »

capableweb wrote: post #71
odiroot wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would have been ironic if the flight was overbooked and they couldn't buy a ticket/board.

If you're associated with the Belarus KGB it's probably not too hard to have some passengers suddenly missing their flight for one or another reason. Probably they don't even need to buy a ticket, flash your badge at the airport and most guards/staff there lets you through.

Seems like a great way to get detained by Greek airport security. I do not see why Greek airport staff would do anything other than call security when someone flashes a KGB badge.

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by withinboredom »

andix wrote: post #42

I once wanted to board a plane from Havanna to Europe and because of a computer glitch my clearance for the US airspace didn’t get approved. So they nearly took off without me. After 20 minutes of trying to get it approved, they found out that I was checked in twice, and got two seats assigned. The other boarding pass got the confirmation and seemed to prevent the second confirmation. So they took away my boarding pa…

I once managed to board the wrong plane but I was recorded as being on the other plane. I was checked into the other plane, so they couldn't take off without me, and the plane I was on had to let me off.

It was a huge fiasco; I had to get off the plane after it left the gate, hitch a ride with security to the correct plane. I got chewed out by both pilots... security held me in the back of the car asking me how I did it. I really had no idea how I did it.

It turns out the gate was changed and I didn't notice. I also scanned my boarding pass several times at the gate by holding it over the scanner too long. It turned out that when you've already scanned at the gate, it wouldn't tell the attendant your flight information, just that it was already scanned. They wouldn't let me on the next plane until they figured all this out.

They've fixed this bug :) but that is how you successfully delay two flights and piss off some pilots.

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by kokx »

odiroot wrote: post #65
helsinkiandrew wrote: post #9

It looks like the Belarus KGB was on the flight anyway - presumably the journalist was being followed/tracked: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/24/belarus-seizur...

It would have been ironic if the flight was overbooked and they couldn't buy a ticket/board.

Within the EU, flights rarely get overbooked. Especially on cheap flights like with Ryanair, the reimbursement that the airline has to provide in case of overbooking can easily be more than 10x the ticket value.
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