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Re: Playlist for iOS

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Post by ajdude » Fri, May 07, 2021, 11:55 AM UTC

parhamn wrote: post #36

danielmeskin wrote: post #32

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Sorry if this was asked already but is Synth chromium based?

No problem. It is. I an curious how you feel about that. The engine is a bit agnostic of the rendering layer (we will have a similarly powerful iOS app at some point too).

I was excited for a moment, when I saw that someone was working on a new browser, then I admit that I felt a bit disappointed to read this. I think we need more rendering engines out there, or at least wider distribution of the current ones to get chromium‘s market share down.

Re: Playlist for iOS

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Post by jonathansampson » Fri, May 07, 2021, 12:02 PM UTC

asadlionpk wrote: post #60

BrendanEich wrote: post #56

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Are you sure we are doing what got others in trouble?

Care to explain? The YouTube ToS clearly says players shouldn’t play audio without video (aka background audio). Does scrapping via youtube-dl make it legal?

I just read through the relevant parts of https://www.youtube.com/t/terms again; nowhere in there does it say you cannot play audio _without_ video. Users with less bandwidth shouldn't be punished :)

Re: Playlist for iOS

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Post by xuki » Fri, May 07, 2021, 12:14 PM UTC

asadlionpk wrote: post #27

This will get shut down very soon. I am actually surprised Apple even approved this. I essentially built the same thing for myself (music player that combines/searches multiple sources, use youtube-dl server to stream optimized mp3 only), I had to skip app store and sideload it.

Apple reviewer likely didn’t notice the new features. They spend minutes on each app and this feature is not very obvious, especially when it’s just a feature in a big browser app.

This clearly violates YouTube TOS and Brave knows it, I wonder what’s their plan is.

Re: Playlist for iOS

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Post by delhanty » Fri, May 07, 2021, 2:12 PM UTC

xuki wrote: post #73

asadlionpk wrote: post #27

This will get shut down very soon. I am actually surprised Apple even approved this. I essentially built the same thing for myself (music player that combines/searches multiple sources, use youtube-dl server to stream optimized mp3 only), I had to skip app store and sideload it.

Apple reviewer likely didn’t notice the new features. They spend minutes on each app and this feature is not very obvious, especially when it’s just a feature in a big browser app. This clearly violates YouTube TOS and Brave knows it, I wonder what’s their plan is.

Curious to know: Why are Brave subject to YouTube’s TOS?

Re: Playlist for iOS

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Post by Otek » Fri, May 07, 2021, 2:21 PM UTC

delhanty wrote: post #74

xuki wrote: post #73

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Apple reviewer likely didn’t notice the new features. They spend minutes on each app and this feature is not very obvious, especially when it’s just a feature in a big browser app. This clearly violates YouTube TOS and Brave knows it, I wonder what’s their plan is.

Curious to know: Why are Brave subject to YouTube’s TOS?

Brave is a subject to AppStore terms and conditions that it forbit what Brave did

Re: Playlist for iOS

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Post by taylodl » Fri, May 07, 2021, 2:24 PM UTC

layoutIfNeeded wrote: post #68

I thought the AppStore didn't allow apps that download videos from YouTube: >5.2.3 Audio/Video Downloading: Apps should not facilitate illegal file sharing or include the ability to save, convert, or download media from third-party sources (e.g. Apple Music, YouTube, SoundCloud, Vimeo, etc.) without explicit authorization from those sources. So either they have permission from YouTube, or will be promptly removed fro…

You can't share or convert the media. Technically you're saving it, but it's only accessible on the device on which it was saved and only using the software (Brave browser) that saved it. It's an interesting grey area. Hopefully the folks at Brave have already talked this through with Apple and Google and have their support.

Re: Playlist for iOS

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Post by encryptluks2 » Fri, May 07, 2021, 2:27 PM UTC

quick_brown_fox wrote: post #67

encryptluks2 wrote: post #48

I think this is funny since NewPipe does this already and is open source.

brave is open source too https://github.com/brave/brave-ios/

IOS isn't open source and there isn't a version for Android from what I can tell.

Re: Playlist for iOS

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Post by delhanty » Fri, May 07, 2021, 2:28 PM UTC

Otek wrote: post #75

delhanty wrote: post #74

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Curious to know: Why are Brave subject to YouTube’s TOS?

Brave is a subject to AppStore terms and conditions that it forbit what Brave did

I understand why Brave are subject to the Apple AppStore TOC.

What I am not clear about is why Brave would be subject to YouTube’s TOC.

Re: Playlist for iOS

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Post by Otek » Fri, May 07, 2021, 2:32 PM UTC

delhanty wrote: post #78

Otek wrote: post #75

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Brave is a subject to AppStore terms and conditions that it forbit what Brave did

I understand why Brave are subject to the Apple AppStore TOC. What I am not clear about is why Brave would be subject to YouTube’s TOC.

as pointed by the user layoutIfNeeded it's this point of TOC

>5.2.3 Audio/Video Downloading: Apps should not facilitate illegal file sharing or include the ability to save, convert, or download media from third-party sources (e.g. Apple Music, YouTube, SoundCloud, Vimeo, etc.) without explicit authorization from those sources.

Re: Playlist for iOS

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, May 07, 2021, 2:41 PM UTC

Otek wrote: post #79

delhanty wrote: post #78

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I understand why Brave are subject to the Apple AppStore TOC. What I am not clear about is why Brave would be subject to YouTube’s TOC.

as pointed by the user layoutIfNeeded it's this point of TOC >5.2.3 Audio/Video Downloading: Apps should not facilitate illegal file sharing or include the ability to save, convert, or download media from third-party sources (e.g. Apple Music, YouTube, SoundCloud, Vimeo, etc.) without explicit authorization from those sources.

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