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Re: Fedora Linux 34 is officially here

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Post by dfdz »

EspadaV9 wrote: post #68
dfdz wrote: post #61

I just upgraded from Fedora 33 to Fedora 34 and experienced serious issues making my computer usable. There is a rendering issue making the screen flicker/strange pixels patterns appearing for almost every app (including gnome terminal). Interestingly, the only app that seems unaffected is firefox. The only non-standard thing about my setup is that I have a 1400p 144hz display. My graphics card is Amd 5600xt so I do…

I have the exact same issue, still on 33. Running Ryzen 3600X and RX 480. I think it could be a kernel update, got bumped to 5.11.16 last night, don't recall any Mesa updates in the list (using update-testing repos).

Interesting, I ended up testing an older 1080p monitor and had the same issue, so it really seems like it is either an issue with the Amd graphics card driver, or an issue with Fedora 34 in general. I am somewhat surprised since I have fairly common hardware , and not much customization.

I'd highly recommend waiting to upgrade

Re: Fedora Linux 34 is officially here

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Post by merb »

dfdz wrote: post #70
drwu wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My mind automatically interpreted that spelling as "unstable". It turned out that "unusable" matches the context better.

Ah yes I meant unstable I blame the flickering screen for the typo. I had to downgrade to 33 which was slightly annoying but no harm done. I guess I will skip this upgrade cycle and wait for 35

well trust me, what you originally wrote would be a funny story.

"broken computer got more usable, by installing broken software".

and it would probably be funny to debug that! Ü

Re: Fedora Linux 34 is officially here

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Post by matrix8967 »

EspadaV9 wrote: post #68
dfdz wrote: post #61

I just upgraded from Fedora 33 to Fedora 34 and experienced serious issues making my computer usable. There is a rendering issue making the screen flicker/strange pixels patterns appearing for almost every app (including gnome terminal). Interestingly, the only app that seems unaffected is firefox. The only non-standard thing about my setup is that I have a 1400p 144hz display. My graphics card is Amd 5600xt so I do…

I have the exact same issue, still on 33. Running Ryzen 3600X and RX 480. I think it could be a kernel update, got bumped to 5.11.16 last night, don't recall any Mesa updates in the list (using update-testing repos).

I've got similar hardware here - and just pulled down all my updates on the Fedora33 KDE spin. So far, both GTK and QT windows/UI are behaving fine for me...

Some some relevant hardware/kernel info I yanked out of glxinfo.

I've not looked for any bugreports, but I'm happy to follow one if I might be useful.

  AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT (NAVI10, DRM 3.40.0, 5.11.16-200.fc33.x86_64, LLVM 11.0.0)
  OpenGL version string: 4.6 (Compatibility Profile) Mesa 20.3.5

  Monitors: 2
 0: +*DisplayPort-0 1920/598x1080/336+0+420  DisplayPort-0
 1: +DisplayPort-1 1080/598x1920/336+1920+0  DisplayPort-1

Re: Fedora Linux 34 is officially here

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Post by m463 »

viraptor wrote: post #4

While pipewire still needs a lot of work and some people will see regressions in their workflow, this change is so much better than the pulseaudio disaster. It already enables things like more reasonable Bluetooth access, BT codec/profile switching, close to real-time audio, etc. With updated pipewire you can run jack applications like guitarix and ardour and they just work. With pipewire updated from copr repositori…

I've heard so many good things about pipewire, they should really get the pipewire guy to refactor systemd too :)

Re: Fedora Linux 34 is officially here

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Post by viraptor »

m463 wrote: post #74
viraptor wrote: post #4

While pipewire still needs a lot of work and some people will see regressions in their workflow, this change is so much better than the pulseaudio disaster. It already enables things like more reasonable Bluetooth access, BT codec/profile switching, close to real-time audio, etc. With updated pipewire you can run jack applications like guitarix and ardour and they just work. With pipewire updated from copr repositori…

I've heard so many good things about pipewire, they should really get the pipewire guy to refactor systemd too :)

Pipewire uses a different architecture than pulseaudio. It's basically "we learned lots of things from low-latency video, let's apply that everywhere", not a refactor.

What do you want to change in systemd specificaly?

Re: Fedora Linux 34 is officially here

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Post by MonaroVXR »

rubyist5eva wrote: post #23
mikevm wrote: post #14

I've been an Ubuntu user for ages, any reasons to switch to Fedora?

Vanilla gnome, more up-to-date software, package management with dnf is superior than apt. You don't have to have snaps shoved down your throat (but you can still use them if you like). Fedora is a "makers" distro. Every big innovation in Linux has happened in Fedora first.

Pop!_OS doesn't have snaps either. What is better about DNF? Also the software wasn't always newer.

Re: Fedora Linux 34 is officially here

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Post by m463 »

viraptor wrote: post #75
m463 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've heard so many good things about pipewire, they should really get the pipewire guy to refactor systemd too :)

Pipewire uses a different architecture than pulseaudio. It's basically "we learned lots of things from low-latency video, let's apply that everywhere", not a refactor. What do you want to change in systemd specificaly?

one bit of relevant information to add to my comment:

The guy who wrote pulseaudio also designed systemd.

Since pipewire seems to get rave reviews, and pulseaudio grumbles... a natural train of thought would be - get the guy who wrote pipewire to take a stab at systemd.

As to specific systemd changes, I would love if someone:

- Make the systemd config files more intuitive. While the old /etc/init.d/foo files contained arguably too much logic, the systemd service files are stupid enough that logic frequently has to be pushed into (and hidden inside) a daemon.

change the awful directory structure/files/links to something more elegant and organized It's like they threw them all in one directory, and simultaneously sharded them across /etc /lib etc

status commands/journalctl/binary log files. ugh.

How has it absorbed so much into itself?

It's become a little like busybox - making an analogy here - where it absorbs tried-and-true utilities and replaces them with "good enough" that... isn't. One example might be NTP which does time sort of poorly. Yes ntp is crufty, but it does time extremely well.

Re: Fedora Linux 34 is officially here

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Post by viraptor »

m463 wrote: post #77
viraptor wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pipewire uses a different architecture than pulseaudio. It's basically "we learned lots of things from low-latency video, let's apply that everywhere", not a refactor. What do you want to change in systemd specificaly?

one bit of relevant information to add to my comment: The guy who wrote pulseaudio also designed systemd. Since pipewire seems to get rave reviews, and pulseaudio grumbles... a natural train of thought would be - get the guy who wrote pipewire to take a stab at systemd. As to specific systemd changes, I would love if someone: - Make the systemd config files more intuitive. While the old /etc/init.d/foo files containe…

> a natural train of thought would be - get the guy who wrote pipewire to take a stab at systemd.

Alternative train of thought - Pottering was not great with low latency stream processing, but someone else was. Why expect the people who are good with low latency stream processing to be good with low-level process management? People have different skills/interests.

Re: Fedora Linux 34 is officially here

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Post by rubyist5eva »

hulitu wrote: post #66
rubyist5eva wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vanilla gnome, more up-to-date software, package management with dnf is superior than apt. You don't have to have snaps shoved down your throat (but you can still use them if you like). Fedora is a "makers" distro. Every big innovation in Linux has happened in Fedora first.

> Fedora is a "makers" distro. Every big innovation in Linux has happened in Fedora first. That's because is the beta version of RedHat. I wouldn't call SystemD and Pulseaudio innovations but ymmv.

You may not like systemd, but it is the de-facto standard in the mainstream of Linux distributions. So maybe "innovations" isn't quite the correct word - but if you want to see the future of Linux then Fedora is the place to find it.
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