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Re: Americans overwhelmingly say marijuana should be legal

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Post by eigen »

AlexTWithBeard wrote: post #26
redisman wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s part of the problem but both parties have had total control in the last 5 years and yet nothing has been passed on the federal level. The problem is that all the representatives are in the over 75 yo group

The part of the problem is that everything these days has to be done on federal level. There's even federally mandated shower flow rate [1]. Just leave this shit up to the states. [1] https://www.waterpik.com/shower-head/blog/shower-head-gpm/#:... .

> There's even federally mandated shower flow rate (2.5 GPM max). Just leave this shit up to the states.

from your link, some states can set lower.

| To conserve resources and save money, some state and local governments mandate even lower GPM flow rates than the federal regulation.

| Examples of national and local regulations include:

| * New York City and the state of Colorado require a maximum of 2.0 GPM

| * California, Washington, and Hawaii require a maximum of 1.8 GPM

would you have states set a min flow rate?

Re: Americans overwhelmingly say marijuana should be legal

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Post by [deleted] »

sneak wrote: post #18

It bothers me that this needs to be done piecemeal, substance by substance. Our bodies are our own to build - they are own to destroy (or alter, or any other damn thing). The whole point of the war on drugs was to imprison minorities. The whole concept of drug prohibition should be done away with. Millions of people are sitting in prison in the US simply because they did something entirely consensual and nonviolent,…

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Re: Americans overwhelmingly say marijuana should be legal

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Post by XorNot »

astrea wrote: post #37
ianai wrote: post #21

I come to it from the view of prohibition being a known source of power for cartels. I suspect if the various prohibitions were relaxed enough (and safely) that cartels would lose a lot power. Could see less immigrants fleeing cartel violence? But I fear legalization too. I fear people taking it too far and forcing a backlash and a new prohibition.

They're not just smuggling Marijuana and that's assuming they're not already deeply entrenched in their localities.

Sure but organized crime runs on profit margins, and study after study has shown that by and large organized crime can't fund itself without the profits from drug running.

Nothing else is as lucrative, and most secondary markets they get involved in tend to be to supply things the criminals want - i.e. guns and sex trafficking.

There is a bizarre trend in these conversations to make a defeatist argument along the lines of "the cartels can never be stopped" that doesn't seem to line up with any of the actual evidence.

For example, gun running into the US just isn't a thing - gun smuggling is what organized crime takes out of the US - but the money needs to be USD to pay for it, and ultimately Mexico just doesn't have a lot of that without drugs.

Re: Americans overwhelmingly say marijuana should be legal

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Post by AlexTWithBeard »

mcny wrote: post #55
AlexTWithBeard wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The part of the problem is that everything these days has to be done on federal level. There's even federally mandated shower flow rate [1]. Just leave this shit up to the states. [1] https://www.waterpik.com/shower-head/blog/shower-head-gpm/#:... .

> The part of the problem is that everything these days has to be done on federal level. I absolutely hate this state rights argument. I for one would gladly support repealing the words the states from the tenth amendment. States don’t have magical rights. People have rights. I have a feeling anyone who supports “state rights” would also support the idea of “separate but equal”. Please do not associate yourself with…

Sorry, what's wrong with California regulating emissions?

People have rights. And the most straightforward way to cater for these rights is to split people into groups. If 90% of people in Alabama don't want weed legalized, don't force it upon them. Save the vigor for what's really important.

Re: Americans overwhelmingly say marijuana should be legal

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Post by viraptor »

sneak wrote: post #63
viraptor wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They could be our own to destroy if that didn't impact people around you. It's the same with DUI - causing a crash doesn't only destroy your life. Or getting addicted to the point you can't care for your children.

Your response illustrates my point nicely: Drunk driving is illegal; alcohol possession and sale is not, nor should it be. Child abuse and neglect is already illegal, regardless of drug laws.

We don't have a good comparison right now... because allowing a good computation is considered a bad idea. Selling alcohol to people who obviously are going to drink and drive, people who are aggressive and drink is restricted in some places though.

The issue is that we expect most people to have a drink once in a whole and continue with their lives as usual. We can't realistically expect recreational heroin use with no long term issues.

Re: Americans overwhelmingly say marijuana should be legal

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Post by sneak »

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #68
viraptor wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They could be our own to destroy if that didn't impact people around you. It's the same with DUI - causing a crash doesn't only destroy your life. Or getting addicted to the point you can't care for your children.

Agree. Some drugs like meth, heroin, fentanyl, PCP can cause permanent brain damage at common recreational doses and hurt society overall. Those shouldn't be legal IMO

Society has no claim over whether or not I (or anyone else) choose to cause permanent brain damage to myself.

That's the point: drug prohibition is inherently immoral because it denies an adult human being agency over their own body. It's mine to destroy if I see fit; it's mine to build it I see fit.

There is no victim, for example, if I decide to cut off my finger. No one has been wronged, and no crime has occurred.

Re: Americans overwhelmingly say marijuana should be legal

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Post by [deleted] »

jacob2484 wrote: post #15
1cvmask wrote: post #2

Majority of Americans support Medicare for All. But both parties are against it. Marijuana legalization is easier to pass than healthcare because there are no entrenched corporate interests against it: https://morningconsult.com/2021/03/24/medicare-for-all-publi...

Majority of Americans do NOT support Medicare for All. Please reread your article - they want a public option, which differs from Medicare.

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Re: Americans overwhelmingly say marijuana should be legal

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Post by AlexTWithBeard »

eigen wrote: post #71
AlexTWithBeard wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The part of the problem is that everything these days has to be done on federal level. There's even federally mandated shower flow rate [1]. Just leave this shit up to the states. [1] https://www.waterpik.com/shower-head/blog/shower-head-gpm/#:... .

> There's even federally mandated shower flow rate (2.5 GPM max). Just leave this shit up to the states. from your link, some states can set lower. | To conserve resources and save money, some state and local governments mandate even lower GPM flow rates than the federal regulation. | Examples of national and local regulations include: | * New York City and the state of Colorado require a maximum of 2.0 GPM | * Calif…

I would rather have it set at town building code level.

Re: Americans overwhelmingly say marijuana should be legal

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Post by redisman »

AlexTWithBeard wrote: post #26
redisman wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s part of the problem but both parties have had total control in the last 5 years and yet nothing has been passed on the federal level. The problem is that all the representatives are in the over 75 yo group

The part of the problem is that everything these days has to be done on federal level. There's even federally mandated shower flow rate [1]. Just leave this shit up to the states. [1] https://www.waterpik.com/shower-head/blog/shower-head-gpm/#:... .

Yes because of the supremacy clause. That’s not really new? Many states have acted on it but the federal laws still fuck things up for individuals and businesses

Re: Americans overwhelmingly say marijuana should be legal

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Post by ike0790 »

1cvmask wrote: post #51
jacob2484 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Majority of Americans do NOT support Medicare for All. Please reread your article - they want a public option, which differs from Medicare.

From the article: “55% of voters support Medicare for All” and 70 percent support a public option. 55% is a majority.

The federal government is horrible at competing in the free market when it comes to pretty much any good/service. For medicare to have a chance, they would need to eliminate the private market for healthcare. No one that can afford private healthcare would opt for government healthcare. Those who truly rely on government healthcare I assume wouldn't pay the monthly premium. We could defund the war machine but neither party wants that. There is the option to just printing the money but there's no free lunch and that inflation will show up in healthcare prices and the broader economy. Lastly, This type of top-bottom control of the healthcare market is not pragmatic and will lead to a whole host of inefficiencies and other problems that would create a worst situation then what we have right now.
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