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Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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Post by johncena33 »

jonas21 wrote: post #7

I see the Google hate on HN is strong enough that an article that just regurgitates the contents of a few articles and blog posts can be upvoted to #1 in short order.

There's definitely some voting manipulation going on on HN last few years. At the same time number of irrelvant or barely relevant negative comments with no insight sky-rocketed. This trend coincided with the appointment of new mod dang. I guess the current mod is trying to make HN more popular and using the age-old outrage playbook to get to that end.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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Post by slenk »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #67
slenk wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel you on Cloudformation :S I haven't used Kubernetes on either platform - so there may be more to that. One thing I really dislike about GCP is how expensive it is for personal or hobby use. I burned through $300 for a simple vm on GCP in a few weeks because their cheapest instances are so expensive.

Yeah, navigating either platform is tough for hobbyists. I can get more lambda invocations than I’ll ever use for free but a single load balancer is like $30/month, never mind instances.

Yeah...yeah.

I will say - reserved instance pricing is great on AWS if you know you will be there for a while.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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Post by hobs »

foxylad wrote: post #41

Can HN please add a filter for these increasingly lame "Google cancels all the stuff" posts? Yes, Google has cancelled services, but they've all been free things that they had every right to decide would never increase revenue. Why should Google have to keep everything they ever built running for ever? If you pay for services from Google, then it's a completely different story. We've used Appengine for 12 years now,…

Just got kicked off of google music as a paying customer, so nope, got a shitty youtube music replacement.

As a paying google fi customer got transferred to hangouts then that got canceled and I apparently need to change my phone number if I want to make an outgoing voip call again because ??? google.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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Post by malikNF »

foxylad wrote: post #41

Can HN please add a filter for these increasingly lame "Google cancels all the stuff" posts? Yes, Google has cancelled services, but they've all been free things that they had every right to decide would never increase revenue. Why should Google have to keep everything they ever built running for ever? If you pay for services from Google, then it's a completely different story. We've used Appengine for 12 years now,…

>>but they've all been free things that they had every right to decide would never increase revenue

If my service provider were to hold this opinion, I would not be able to trust them, actually I would start to search for an alternative immediately. It sounds like a service provider who is okay with turning customers into lab-rats, to experiment on, and once done just discard them away.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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Post by dilyevsky »

VHRanger wrote: post #5

All the providers are reliable if you stick to simple stuff (VMs, storage, DB, etc.) or as OP called it "cloud agnostic stuff".

“Reliable”. In addition to major outages that normal dcs have they also have dozens of small ones that never make it to the status pages. Even for simple stuff, more so for managed stuff. They are some good reasons to pick public cloud but if you’re picking it for reliability you will be disappointed

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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Post by marcinzm »

dontblink wrote: post #66
marcinzm wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>We've used Appengine for 12 years now, and every time they've decided to deprecate services, there's always plenty of notice, a superior replacement, and usually lower costs. That doesn't remove the cost and time of updating your code and migrating.

In most? cases it should make up for that in lowered cost savings moving forward.

That should be a decision for the customer to make and not one that is forced on them. Many larger companies tend to have legacy systems that are basically black boxes to them. The cost of updating one can be orders of magnitude more than any cloud costs for running it.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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Post by Crash0v3rid3 »

thayne wrote: post #45
cmeacham98 wrote: post #4

I don't know, seems to be mostly filled with speculation and anecdotes. I can find similar anecdotes of bad behavior by Amzon, for example claims of using AWS to steal its users' business ideas[1]. Admittedly, the original author's title of "Why I distrust Google Cloud more than AWS or Azure" much better describes their position than the editorialized title of the HN submitter ("Why Google Cloud is less trustworthy t…

I can't speak to Azure, but while AWS has a policy of never discontinuing services or features, even if they are replaced by something else, whereas GCP does discontinue entire services (although if it is generally available they have to give 12 months notice according to the terms of service).

I’m not familiar with any GCP service being discontinued. Do you have any examples?

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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Post by junon »

JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #63
latch wrote: post #20

I'm one of those "you'll get my baremetal and systemd out of my dead cold hands", kind of guy. But I have reasonable exposure to both AWS and GC and I can say that, by far, Google Cloud is easier to reason about. As a consequence, it's much harder to misconfigure. The 2 large AWS deploys I've seen have, at best, had billing issues no one really understood (incl AWS), and at worse, security issues. Complaining that ma…

What does a billing issue look like? Is it something trivial, like they charged you for $X+X, but you only used $X (e.g., they double billed you -- should be solvable with a phone call)? Or more complex, e.g, they charged for more egress than you actually used (kind of hard to prove or disprove after the fact)?

Not GP, but in my experience, AWS bills run away from you if you're not careful. They don't have great tooling (or, at least, accessible or intuitive tooling) to determine what your bill is going to be, or to set limits.

Pair that with a misconfiguration because of their horrendous web interface, and you're in for a surprisingly large bill at the end of the month.

Google, on the other hand, has some of the best tooling in the industry when it comes to billing and cost management. I dislike Google as much as the next guy but I'd feel more comfortable with them over AWS if I ever needed to choose.

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Post by asciimike »

plantain wrote: post #30
marcinzm wrote: post #2

What left a bad taste in my mouth is any quota increase getting rejected unless you got on a phone call with sales and listened to an upsell speech. I'm trying to give you money and you're putting roadblocks in front of me.

I don't know why all the cloud companies make you jump through so many hoops to get more quota - but Google has consistently been the fastest for me. Fill out some random Google Docs form (why does it have to be so dodgy?), receive quota within 24 hours. Contrast: Microsoft - flat out refused me more quota despite spending 10k/mo with them. Required me to convert to invoice billing, and then wanted a bunch of proof o…

That's because Google's quota increases are binary:

- either they're automatically approved because you fill in a form requesting more and it just becomes a PR for an engineer to approve, OR

- it can't move because you've hit an internal service limit

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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Post by johncena33 »

igorhvr wrote: post #29
astrostl wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Admittedly, the original author's title of "Why I distrust Google Cloud more than AWS or Azure" much better describes their position than the editorialized title of the HN submitter ("Why Google Cloud is less trustworthy than AWS or Azure"). Agreed. What is with the retitling?

Submitter (& author) here. I just changed the submission title to exactly match the original.

May I ask why did you change the title to begin with?
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