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Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by ceilingcorner »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #31
Jkae80 wrote: post #23

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Yeah? Check out the involvement of NGO directly financed by the West. What ever happened in Ukraine's coup orchestrated by the West is not going to happen in Belarus. And that is a hard pill to swallow for you people.

Lets imagine the coup is orchestrated by the West. The guy currently in charge is corrupt and a murderer. Is living in Belarus going to get worse without him?

Probably. Have you ever read about the West’s involvement with regime change?

Once, just once, can we stop and realize that being world policeman isn’t always a good move?

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by lb1lf »

liaukovv wrote: post #18
trhway wrote: post #13

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Because of the history in those places, new Belarus will immediately try to join EU and NATO. That is an option which Russia will try to prevent. As history shows there are some windows of opportunity for the things to go either way. It seems that the major escalation is coming in Donbass - Ukraine has beefed up the forces, and in particular brought in the Turkish drones which (being very successful against Russian m…

Maybe in the face of growing russian agression nato will relax it's rules.

-More likely, rules will toughen up.

The prime purpose of NATO is deterrence; no-one wants to be forced into a shooting war - hence I expect NATO to be very wary of accepting a member which may invoke article 5 pretty much the moment the accession ceremony is over.

The Ukraine would have a much easier time getting into NATO if relations with Russia were cordial; however, as the mere act of exercising their sovereignty to join an alliance of their choosing is sufficient to prevent cordial relations with Russia...

The problem, obviously, being that Russia is not content to be secure within its borders, but also desires to have a say in the affairs of neighbouring countries (Which, incidentally, makes these countries feel much less secure, hence making them more eager to join alliances to improve their lot, precisely the scenario Russia wishes to avoid.)

Sigh.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by koonsolo »

baybal2 wrote: post #37
iyn wrote: post #15

I've been following the situation in Belarus since last August and it's really terrible. I admire how so many brave people look death in the eye and still fight for freedom. I have friends there and this allowed me to understand that there's so much potential in Belarus -- there are so many talented, intelligent people getting by in this adversarial environment. So sad to see how Lukashenko's kleptocracy regime waste…

> Anyway -- you can help! The best way to help them now is to send arms, but that if of course if you can get them through the border. Belarus knows that they can't trust army drafted from regular men, and that's why the army was sent off to seal the borders, while the special police monsters are let to keep doing their atrocities inside cities. The West is also unwittingly facilitates this by keeping shutting down a…

So you give arms to a bunch of people, they kill a bunch of people, and then you hope that the leader that arises from all this blooshed is better than Lukashenko?

Good luck.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by levosmetalo »

caskstrength wrote: post #69
levosmetalo wrote: post #38

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List of countries where "the West" organized a coup against a "corrupt murderer dictator" to establish "democratic elected government": - Ukraine - Syria - Libya - Georgia - Iraq - Iran - Afghanistan - Yugoslavia - Venezuela - Cuba - ex-Yugoslavia - Chile - ... All those countries were devastated by the "democratization". I would like to see one example where that went good for the local population in general and whe…

> - Ukraine - ... > All those countries were devastated by the "democratization". I'm not sure what you mean by "devastated". Software development jobs market is flourishing and my friends from other industries are not doing that bad either. Are you watching/reading Russian news sources by any chance?

It's a fucking war there, people are sent to war to kill and to get killed. GDP in Ukraine is ~3,5k$ per year.

Your software developer friends are just outliers there.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by levosmetalo »

oytis wrote: post #48
levosmetalo wrote: post #38

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List of countries where "the West" organized a coup against a "corrupt murderer dictator" to establish "democratic elected government": - Ukraine - Syria - Libya - Georgia - Iraq - Iran - Afghanistan - Yugoslavia - Venezuela - Cuba - ex-Yugoslavia - Chile - ... All those countries were devastated by the "democratization". I would like to see one example where that went good for the local population in general and whe…

Former Yugoslavia countries are doing pretty well actually. Genocides has been stopped, nations were able to establish their own countries, none of them returned to a dictatorship, all have democratically elected governments. Definitely better than before.

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Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by varispeed »

I wonder if Belarussians have become prisoners of their geography, or more precisely their neighbour? If they removed their dictator from office, then it may be very likely that Russia will use the situation to do a land grab or finance instability. If current dictator knows that, then perhaps in a twisted way they want to keep status quo, so at least people can live without fear of the civil war. This is of course unsustainable. So what are their options? Could Belarus withstand an attack from the East? I am sorry if that sounds ignorant - I don't have much knowledge about that country.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by Mediterraneo10 »

hulitu wrote: post #51
oytis wrote: post #48

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Former Yugoslavia countries are doing pretty well actually. Genocides has been stopped, nations were able to establish their own countries, none of them returned to a dictatorship, all have democratically elected governments. Definitely better than before.

And the economy was destroyed. Definitely better than before.

You have things backwards. It was an economic decline that helped to motivate the collapse of Yugoslavia. If things in Yugoslavia had stayed as nice as in the 1960s and early 1970s -- the era of the vikendica and middle-class holidays in Bali, -- nationalist grievances might not have gained ground.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

baq wrote: post #40
baybal2 wrote: post #37

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> Anyway -- you can help! The best way to help them now is to send arms, but that if of course if you can get them through the border. Belarus knows that they can't trust army drafted from regular men, and that's why the army was sent off to seal the borders, while the special police monsters are let to keep doing their atrocities inside cities. The West is also unwittingly facilitates this by keeping shutting down a…

you really think having a civil war right around the corner, practically on the other side of the fence, is something any country wants to have? not to mention having an armed rebellion means putin's intervention is guaranteed and then belarus just becomes another federal district.

that's a bad-faith argument, it should instead be:

Do you really want to allow systematic killing of the opposition by current un-elected criminals holding on to power. Putin's intervention is not some kind of "hypothetical future danger or milestone in theoretic escalation" but has been fact since 1998.

Europe isn't going to do anything except sending their thoughts and prayers and direct intervention by the US is unthinkable (for now). Sending support (which includes arms, and mercenaries) is the only way that can protect the civilian population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus%E2%80%93Russia_relatio...

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by T-A »

postingawayonhn wrote: post #14
anovikov wrote: post #6

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The choice is simple: Lukashenka or Putin. I'd pick Lukashenka, at least some form of quasi-independent Belarus is better than none at all. It is so patently obvious that no non-manipulated Belarus will be allowed to exist... Just because all country is Russian speaking - even to a bigger degree than Crimea and is wholly owned by the Russian propaganda reality tunnel.

You do realise that a lot of people in Russia want to get rid of Putin too? And neither dictator will live forever, both are in their late 60s.

35% of Russians disapprove of Putin, according to this:

https://www.levada.ru/en/ratings/

41% of Americans disapprove of Biden, according to this:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by koonsolo »

ceilingcorner wrote: post #71
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lets imagine the coup is orchestrated by the West. The guy currently in charge is corrupt and a murderer. Is living in Belarus going to get worse without him?

Probably. Have you ever read about the West’s involvement with regime change? Once, just once, can we stop and realize that being world policeman isn’t always a good move?

Europe isn't the world policeman. Most neighboring countries want to join EU for good reason.

In Ukraines case, do you really think they don't want to become more like any EU country? I know plenty of people from Lviv. That 'coup' was not staged by 'the west', but was a force within their own population that want a better standard of life.

So please don't compare US involvement in any Middle east country to the EU and their neighboring countries.

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