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India’s second wave

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Re: India’s second wave

#71

I honestly don't think this is clearly understood by the authorities and they are causing more harm than good. We don't really yet understand Covid or the impact of specific policies like lockdowns, lack of other health inducing activities (exercise, essential vitamins, genetics, food quality, etc). More over, Stanford ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7680614/ ) has shown masks don't work. Lockdowns pro…

The article you’ve linked to doesn’t appear credible.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-629043235973

Re: India’s second wave

#73

But why is it much worse ? Because of the pandemic, or because of the lockdowns ?

How would the lockdowns have made it worse? Could they have produced the exponential growth in cases and deaths that are currently observed in the official data?

Re: India’s second wave

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post #73

But why is it much worse ? Because of the pandemic, or because of the lockdowns ?

How would the lockdowns have made it worse? Could they have produced the exponential growth in cases and deaths that are currently observed in the official data?

I quote qart: "Lockdowns hurt poor people very badly; they need to earn to survive."

Re: India’s second wave

#76
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I think putting the blame on people for weddings, religious ceremonies (aka normal everyday life which is going to happen, even during the Afghanistan War people had wedding celebrations despite the danger) is misguided. Governments are getting rightful blame. I think the media also don't help. How many stupid news outlets were saying that Indian people have some kind of genetic immunity to COVID with absolutely no e…

The virus does not care what you consider misguided. Make all the excuses you want, but crowds lead to spreading of airborne diseases.

Sure, but disease containment is not (or should not be) the sole metric to optimize for.

Edit: grammar fix

Re: India’s second wave

#77

It is sadly predictable that the pandemic would end up becoming a permanent source of havoc in less developed part of the world, even as it comes under control in the west. This will for certain be with us for many years to come and will further distort the difference between rich and poor. Not at least helped by the nationalism in the west in form of export controls and patents.

I live in a less developed part of the world - Vietnam - and the government and people have been incredibly successful in controlling the virus here. Aside from two short lockdowns of a couple of weeks, my life has barely been affected (except for the lack of tourists and the fact I can't travel outside the country). Local tourism and business seems to be booming. Meanwhile I hear all the stories from back home in Eu…

> The only frustrating thing is how clearly it's been highlighted that the rich and powerful countries get all the vaccines and we'll only get them here once everyone in the west has been vaccinated three times over.

One can only be ashamed about the state of things. There are NGOs which try to help, but this is clearly not enough. And it is dumb, too - we will not get rid of the virus until all countries work together and help each other. It is a global issue, and our leaders do not have half enough brain to understand that.

Re: India’s second wave

#78
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It's ignorant to maintain the position not dying from it is enough to not give a shit about it. It's still a crippling disease that can cause organ scarring and long-term illness, and letting it run free provides it with a breeding ground to provide new variants. I mean the past year and a half have been a real life version of Plague Inc; the 'contagion' marker and mutations have been played with so far, the 'deadlin…

How can you say it causes long term damage when it has barely been around for a year?

Some of us having serious lingering symptoms.

I was on blood thinners before. Since covid my blood clots far more quickly now. I can’t miss any doses of blood thinner or symptoms start up fast.

Re: India’s second wave

#79
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I live in a less developed part of the world - Vietnam - and the government and people have been incredibly successful in controlling the virus here. Aside from two short lockdowns of a couple of weeks, my life has barely been affected (except for the lack of tourists and the fact I can't travel outside the country). Local tourism and business seems to be booming. Meanwhile I hear all the stories from back home in Eu…

Please differentiate more. The US and UK don't share, but the EU does. The egoism of some countries hurt the idea of a free and equal world a lot these days...

Absolutely not true. The UK Government paid for the AZ vaccine to be developed and then stipulated as part of the contract that it must be made available at cost to developing countries.

The EU on the other hand keeps seizing vaccines produced for other countries.

Re: India’s second wave

#80

I honestly don't think this is clearly understood by the authorities and they are causing more harm than good. We don't really yet understand Covid or the impact of specific policies like lockdowns, lack of other health inducing activities (exercise, essential vitamins, genetics, food quality, etc). More over, Stanford ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7680614/ ) has shown masks don't work. Lockdowns pro…

That is not “showing masks don’t work”. That’s just some hypothesis of an individual and he is mistaken on multiple premises.
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