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President of Chad Killed on the Battlefield

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Re: President of Chad Killed on the Battlefield

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Imagine if international disputes were settled by one-on-one combat between world leaders. Our ruling class of flabby fiftysomething bureaucrats would disappear fast

To be replaced by macho 20-30 year olds who excel at one-on-one combat? I'm not sure if this is better. Particularly when the 20 year old killing machine is put in charge of the nuclear arsenal, I think we'd all disappear fast .

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Re: President of Chad Killed on the Battlefield

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It should be mandatory for all Presidents to be on the battle field. It should also be mandatory for all members of congress and the senate to rotate in and out of the battle field.

In asymmetric and counter-insurgency warfare, they already are, because the battlefield is everywhere. Ditto for nuclear weapons.

Re: President of Chad Killed on the Battlefield

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The subtitle might give more context: > Déby had ruled for 30 years and won a sixth term in elections last week

"He was one of Africa’s longest-serving leaders and a close ally of western powers..." So, it depends on how you view "western powers", I guess.

You can largely replace "western powers" with "France" here. France is pretty well-known for being extremely cozy with the dictators of its former colonies, so long as they represent stability rather than insurgency and let France have some measure of influence in the country. France is pretty unabashedly neocolonial in its treatment of Francophone Africa.

Re: President of Chad Killed on the Battlefield

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Is this good or bad for people of Chad?

This will at the least reduce stability in the country, which to the average person is one of the most important things.

Déby was a ruthless dictator fighting against ruthless Libyan-backed Islamists (and to a lesser extent Boko Haram). Both are horrible. Déby murdered political opponents and oppressed his people. The rebels used child soldiers, executed PoWs, and just want to set up their own dictatorship but Muslim.

Currently, power has passed to his son, who is a general-major, so not much has changed, except he presumably has less power. This probably means more military influence in the country and less success against the rebels.

Best case, his son turns out to be a better dictator than his father or least have to concede to the people more.

Worst case, the discontent and political infighting leads to more instability and hardship for the country and the weakness leads to the rebels taking over.

Re: President of Chad Killed on the Battlefield

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Otherwise Germany, 1945, comes to mind. And there are those who fought on the battlefield and later became head of state. They obviously didn't die, but ran a certain risk.

Hitler killed himself https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Adolf_Hitler

The question was not who killed him, was it?

Re: President of Chad Killed on the Battlefield

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The notion of a social or family honor has its own psychological problems. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/minority-report/2014...

of course it does! Everything has. so does our system of sending the old people to an assisted living facility to live out the last couple of years in "dignity" while crapping their pants and not having visitors (except on every 1st Sunday of the month between 15:00-17:00 which is the time when everyone asks why they are still around because they are so demented and not part of our lives that we wouldn't know what to…

Even honor based societies can have criminal elements, the Yakuza being an example. This isn't just a Japanese thing, there are even honor based criminal clans such as the mafia.

Re: President of Chad Killed on the Battlefield

#79

Churchill had to be talked out of attending the D-Day Landings by King George VI - apparently he thought it unfair that if he couldn't attend the landings (which he wanted to do) then Churchill shouldn't be doing it either. Edit: Out by one error for monarch

Churchill commonly visited the front, and was even shelled on the Rhine.

He had a dedicated military transport airplane and flew it, which is pretty reckless considering how good German AA was.

"Winston Churchill - Nearly Killed by the Germans in 1945"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMuw_BsfmV4

Re: President of Chad Killed on the Battlefield

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Then the Battle of Agincourt happens and you lose something like 1/2 of all of your leaders. Then your status as a world power is lost forever. Besides, I don't think anyone wants a government based on military service today. Military is important, but not as important as say, infrastructure, hospitals, schools, technology, engineering, or a myriad of other government services today. I'd rather have more government o…

I don’t think your status as a world power comes from 50% of your political leaders. At least, if that status was lost after that battle I’d seriously look into other reasons.

After the battle of Agincourt, the Armagnac and Burgundians civil war changed forever.

Time heals all wounds. The French became a major power later, but there was a very bloody time. I don't think anyone wants to "Agincourt" their own political leaders.

Regardless, the Armagnacs were severely damaged due to Agincourt. The somewhat neutral Burgundians had much more prominence after the battle.

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In the short term, King Henry V (of England) is named the heir to the throne of France. It takes nearly 30 years before another battle routes the English forces and forces England back to its island.

I'd say having a foreign king declared heir to the throne, while nearly eradicating one major political party (Armagnacs) is a pretty big deal. France doesn't make any major moves until the 1500s, nearly a hundred years later.

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