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Bank of England to explore a potential Central Bank Digital Currency

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Re: Bank of England to explore a potential Central Bank Digital Currency

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The reason for a CBDC are new features. Money that can be programmed to only be used in certain ways, with certain groups, or at certain times, e.g. expiring money. It’s more nudging power for our unelected technocrat dear leaders. Imagine the possibilities!

So, less functional money? More complicated gift card?

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Re: Bank of England to explore a potential Central Bank Digital Currency

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I've not really understood the need for a "digital" pound, the pound is pretty digital already. I can already have an entirely digital bank account from at least three "challenger" banks. There are also now at least two business accounts that also entirely virtual. "Faster Payments" (customer bank transfers) are delivered in seconds. I can see a need for speeding up BACS, and reducing the price of CHAPS, but apart fr…

Please tell me how I can transfer one pound from me to you using a 20 line Python script? That's what people mean by digital currency.

If you are going to mention the open banking API initiative, then what are the requirements to get access to that? You can't as an individual.

Also, this was the easy case, inter-UK. Now tell me how to transfer using Python and without applying to all kinds of regulators for API access a pound from a UK account to a US/EU/Japan account.

Re: Bank of England to explore a potential Central Bank Digital Currency

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They should make it work on the 'old money' system of penny, shilling and pound, with twelve pence to a shilling and twenty shillings to the pound, then use the abbreviation 'd' for pence, and then throw in farthings (quarter penny) and half-crowns (two shillings and six pence) because if there's one thing I've learnt about finance, its that the more confusing things are, the easier it is to make a profit.

The funniest thing I've seen on HN in quite a while. You could even monetise it by marketing to those people who are fans of pre-decimal currency for bizarre political reasons.

Re: Bank of England to explore a potential Central Bank Digital Currency

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I've not really understood the need for a "digital" pound, the pound is pretty digital already. I can already have an entirely digital bank account from at least three "challenger" banks. There are also now at least two business accounts that also entirely virtual. "Faster Payments" (customer bank transfers) are delivered in seconds. I can see a need for speeding up BACS, and reducing the price of CHAPS, but apart fr…

The reason for a CBDC are new features. Money that can be programmed to only be used in certain ways, with certain groups, or at certain times, e.g. expiring money. It’s more nudging power for our unelected technocrat dear leaders. Imagine the possibilities!

The only thing this has in common with Bitcoin is "digital". The rest is pretty much opposite of what Bitcoin was supposed to be. (And I say "was supposed to be" because everyone has a different idea about what Bitcoin is today. But that's not related to this discussion here.)

Re: Bank of England to explore a potential Central Bank Digital Currency

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post #62

I've not really understood the need for a "digital" pound, the pound is pretty digital already. I can already have an entirely digital bank account from at least three "challenger" banks. There are also now at least two business accounts that also entirely virtual. "Faster Payments" (customer bank transfers) are delivered in seconds. I can see a need for speeding up BACS, and reducing the price of CHAPS, but apart fr…

The important distinction is that currently all cashless payment systems are privately run for profit which is effectively a regressive transaction tax.

I understand your point and sympathise, but Handling cash isn't free. yes, for small traders and personal use, cash is effectively free. but as soon as you start to put it into the bank, it incurs a cost.

Depending on where you are, this cost might be hidden from you. (banking in the USA for example is expensive compared to the UK)

However as you point out, those companies that provide PoS terminals take either a monthly fee, or a percentage cut.

Re: Bank of England to explore a potential Central Bank Digital Currency

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I've not really understood the need for a "digital" pound, the pound is pretty digital already. I can already have an entirely digital bank account from at least three "challenger" banks. There are also now at least two business accounts that also entirely virtual. "Faster Payments" (customer bank transfers) are delivered in seconds. I can see a need for speeding up BACS, and reducing the price of CHAPS, but apart fr…

Money is infrastructure, and the digitization of money has resulted in the privatization of that infrastructure. I don't think that was ever part of the plan, really, as far as the government goes.

Re: Bank of England to explore a potential Central Bank Digital Currency

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I've not really understood the need for a "digital" pound, the pound is pretty digital already. I can already have an entirely digital bank account from at least three "challenger" banks. There are also now at least two business accounts that also entirely virtual. "Faster Payments" (customer bank transfers) are delivered in seconds. I can see a need for speeding up BACS, and reducing the price of CHAPS, but apart fr…

Please tell me how I can transfer one pound from me to you using a 20 line Python script? That's what people mean by digital currency. If you are going to mention the open banking API initiative, then what are the requirements to get access to that? You can't as an individual. Also, this was the easy case, inter-UK. Now tell me how to transfer using Python and without applying to all kinds of regulators for API acces…

What happens if the person you send the money to doesn’t deliver? What happens if someone compromises your account and sends all of your money away fraudulently? These are just two basic things that the current financial system deals with thousands of times per day.

And what about fees? BTC, ETH and many other coins are essentially unusable for smaller transactions. Sending .02 ETH (about $45) from my MEW wallet costs .00292 ETH (about $6.75).

Re: Bank of England to explore a potential Central Bank Digital Currency

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I've not really understood the need for a "digital" pound, the pound is pretty digital already. I can already have an entirely digital bank account from at least three "challenger" banks. There are also now at least two business accounts that also entirely virtual. "Faster Payments" (customer bank transfers) are delivered in seconds. I can see a need for speeding up BACS, and reducing the price of CHAPS, but apart fr…

A normal citizen is never gonna build a government that allows for anonymous payment systems. To often people speak of their government as completely abstract separated entity they can only submit to. But actually, they elect them and the government even follow them in their craziest follies, like, say, leaving the EU in the UK.

We don't elect the Bank of England. And while it's government as the US likes to use the word, it's not government as the UK likes to.

Re: Bank of England to explore a potential Central Bank Digital Currency

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I've been hearing this for 10 years straight. Thus far the only successful examples of Blockchain technology have been based on digital currencies and Bitcoin has done nothing but continue it's success. On the other hand, there is not one example of "Blockchain technology" put to work on anything that needed it.

I now barely use my bank account, i get paid in dai, i pay others in dai. occasionally i have to move dai into fiat for bills. hopefully these central bank digital currencies help bridge that last step. i love it because i can write programs to move my money around. I can stream payments with https://sablier.finance i can lend and borrow with https://aave.com I get paid universal basic income each hour from https://w…

I should clarify, Ethereum isn't merely "Blockchain technology", it's a more programmable Bitcoin (with other trade offs of course). In that sense, it's useful for the reasons you mentioned. The point applies more to projects that think they can replicate some form of this success by just hashing a block and stringing them together.

Re: Bank of England to explore a potential Central Bank Digital Currency

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I've not really understood the need for a "digital" pound, the pound is pretty digital already. I can already have an entirely digital bank account from at least three "challenger" banks. There are also now at least two business accounts that also entirely virtual. "Faster Payments" (customer bank transfers) are delivered in seconds. I can see a need for speeding up BACS, and reducing the price of CHAPS, but apart fr…

Please tell me how I can transfer one pound from me to you using a 20 line Python script? That's what people mean by digital currency. If you are going to mention the open banking API initiative, then what are the requirements to get access to that? You can't as an individual. Also, this was the easy case, inter-UK. Now tell me how to transfer using Python and without applying to all kinds of regulators for API acces…

> open banking API initiative

as you've alluded to, its not open to consumers, only financial institutions, with good reason. It gives you lots of access to do all sorts of things.

> how I can transfer one pound from me to you using a 20 line Python script?

Now this isn't a usecase I had thought about. I mean there are APIs that I can use to interface to a specific bank that will allow me to do this. But they are hidden behind layers of bureaucracy.

I think the issue for _consumer_ banking is making sure there is enough screening to make sure its not as easy for scammers and tricksters to get money from you.

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