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Facebook removed fake accounts in India until it saw BJP politician was involved

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Re: Facebook removed fake accounts in India until it saw BJP politician was involved

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With this finally being mentioned, it also needs to be said that they are quite enthusiastic about mowing down Congress on FB, and IG. And that very much unlike other far more on the fringe parties. This was going on for far longer before Facebook's political engagement became known in the West. It feels to me, Zuckerberg wants INC dead, and buried. Wouldn't be against that myself. INC, is for all reasons, synonymic…

Can you show instances where congress (INC) was censored?

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They should be labelled as extremists just like many other Islamic organizations in India who have been giving threats to make India an Islamic nation by killing all the Kafirs, right?

Every single political party in Pakistan is an islamic-nationalist party. Yet the Western media never describes them so. Yet the BJP is always suffixed with "hindu-nationalist". Israel has preferential citizenship for Jews. Yet, somehow India is not allowed to have CAA (per western media). Double standards, I suppose.

India is a supposedly secular country, it's stated in the constitution. Pakistan and Israel explicitly aren't.

Also, you are totally wrong about "every single political party in Pakistan being an Islamic-nationalist party." The second biggest party in the Parliament is the Pakistan People's Party, who are secular.

Additionally, Israel gets plenty of criticism in international media for its preferential citizenship laws regarding Jews.

Re: Facebook removed fake accounts in India until it saw BJP politician was involved

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I dislike BJP propaganda as much as next educated person, but could it be just that if facebook stops sensoring BJP bots, they might provoke mobs to physically attack Facebook in India, and their employee's safety is important for them?

> provoke mobs to physically attack Facebook in India, and their employee's safety is important for them? This doesn't support the notion that they blocked even more fringe, and radical parties than BJP

Other parties may be radical, but BJP has orders of magnitude more people and positions of power.

Re: Facebook removed fake accounts in India until it saw BJP politician was involved

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Does Facebook have lower standards towards politicians or BJP politicians ? I've seen Facebook and esp. Twitter take an active stance on censorship that goes far beyond banning spam. While this is a cut&dry case, the HN discussion is clearly centered around 'special treatment of those in power' at large. As I see it, fake news is a good 50-50 mix of actual fake news and a political perspective that is inconvenient to…

Facebook has literally hired BJP aligned individuals: https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/27/21536149/ankhi-das-faceb...

I don't see anything that indicates that she is aligned towards the BJP outside of one weak accusation that got her fired. As I said before, hate speech is the core of politics in India (sad as it is). If FB actually applied is hate speech rules in India, it would have to close shop the next day.

I looked up every post on the 1st page of google, and couldn't find a single 1st source on what she actually did that was fire worthy. There were accusations and supposed hate speech / islamophobia, without any sources given for it.

Her education was at JNU, which is India's left-wing ideological center. She works at Facebook, whose employees in the US lean socially left. Her father-in-law is a cabinet minister for one of BJP's biggest political enemies.

Without any priors, I'd say she was more likely to help the left than the right. But, ofc, my speculation is just as unsubstantiated as the rest of the reporting surrounding her.

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Links to the most credible sources or most clear accusations:

[1] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgzGUTcUcAA4FGW?format=jpg&name=...

[2] https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/facebook-hate-speech-india-...

Re: Facebook removed fake accounts in India until it saw BJP politician was involved

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They should be labelled as extremists just like many other Islamic organizations in India who have been giving threats to make India an Islamic nation by killing all the Kafirs, right?

Every single political party in Pakistan is an islamic-nationalist party. Yet the Western media never describes them so. Yet the BJP is always suffixed with "hindu-nationalist". Israel has preferential citizenship for Jews. Yet, somehow India is not allowed to have CAA (per western media). Double standards, I suppose.

> Every single political party in Pakistan is an islamic-nationalist party. Yet the Western media never describes them so.

Because that is to be expected in an Islamic country. India, on the other hand, is supposed to be a secular nation that prides itself in its diversity.

As for CAA and the like, I feel it's mostly a branding problem. Most of the resistance BJP gets is because their PR people aren't able to present or explain their policies in a civil, rational manner. Every time someone tries to challenge them they go apeshit defensive, declaring them anti-national and whatnot, pissing people of even when they could have had good reasons and people would have probably not reacted to them had they only spoken of them properly.

Re: Facebook removed fake accounts in India until it saw BJP politician was involved

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I don't buy the "argument from hypocrisy" at all. The situations are not symmetric because there is a right answer on each side and they give different results. Google should filter information when it's the right thing to do. It should not filter information when it's the wrong thing to do. The superficial symmetry of the two situations is completely irrelevant to which course of action is right and acceptable.

And who decides what's wrong and what's right? You? Or, Google?

Society's collective morality is, more or less, the source of truth of collective decisions of right and wrong.

Re: Facebook removed fake accounts in India until it saw BJP politician was involved

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every single political party in Pakistan is an islamic-nationalist party. Yet the Western media never describes them so. Yet the BJP is always suffixed with "hindu-nationalist". Israel has preferential citizenship for Jews. Yet, somehow India is not allowed to have CAA (per western media). Double standards, I suppose.

India is a supposedly secular country, it's stated in the constitution. Pakistan and Israel explicitly aren't. Also, you are totally wrong about "every single political party in Pakistan being an Islamic-nationalist party." The second biggest party in the Parliament is the Pakistan People's Party, who are secular. Additionally, Israel gets plenty of criticism in international media for its preferential citizenship la…

The evidence contradicts you. When PPP was in power, it never tried to re-designate Pakistan from an islamic-state to a secular state.

Re: Facebook removed fake accounts in India until it saw BJP politician was involved

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While this definitely does not look good on fb, how is this different than, lets say newspapers and main stream media networks tongue-in-cheek supporting politicians of their preference? Why not have some transparency and fact check on that as well.

The more I read these articles along the line of ‘social media/big tech bad. Real bad’ the more I see it as a turf war for influence between new and old forms of media, with end users/consumers faring worse in both.

Re: Facebook removed fake accounts in India until it saw BJP politician was involved

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It is alright. Happens to the best of us. Apologies for being harsh. Just sick and tired of seeing leftwing propaganda on Hacker News. Especially against India. Hence created a throwaway account just to protect my identity but still voice my counter. Did not expect you to own up to your mistake. Thanks for doing the right thing. A lot of the international audience here don't know Indian political context and gauge wh…

> sick and tired of seeing leftwing propaganda on Hacker News "Everyone I don't like is a leftist"

> "Everyone I don't like is a leftist"

Did you change your comment from something to do with Trump to this? I chose to ignore your original comment because it did not add value to the discussion at hand. Maybe you have a grudge against Trump that you are trying to insert into a discussion on Indian politics. But at least I did not downvote. By making this edit you just proved my point. The fact that you had to change your own comment shows how it was heavily downvoted by your own peers. There is a very narrow line of thought that is appreciated here on HN. Anything that goes away from that narrow line of thought gets downvoted and flagged. Congratulations on experiencing it firsthand.

Re: Facebook removed fake accounts in India until it saw BJP politician was involved

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> or is this supposed to mean that they created various groups and the total count of all the members is 32 lakh? I am sure he meant this. But I am more interested in translating what he said verbatim than add/remove meaning from it. What you interpret it as is up to you. But a translator should be true to what the source said and not add/remove from that. But to actually give more context to the video itself: Amit S…

I believe Whatsapp simply croaks on 3000+ people groups

Maybe it does. I haven't tested the limits. If we take 3000+ people per group limit, it would be around 1100 groups. Having 1100 groups is pretty realistic possibility considering the number of states in India, regional languages/dialects, overall population and diversity.
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