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Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by feurio »

varispeed wrote: post #30
karlkloss wrote: post #29

That would be totally illegal in Germany, and most of the EU. Not only the employee tracking and forcing them to install anything on their private devices, but also the data collection and not disclosing what is collected, where, and how long, and not implementing an automatic deletion.

Here in the UK government introduced zero rights employment just few days ago and that would be totally legal here.

> Here in the UK government introduced zero rights employment just few days ago and that would be totally legal here.

I am resolutely not a fan of our current UK government and they will certainly work to weaken worker's rights, but (absent of any corroberating references) this is just BS.

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by m_mueller »

paxys wrote: post #67

When I started my last job (decently large corp) there was a long onboarding session for mobile device setup. Email, Skype, a dozen other internal apps, 2FA authenticator, SSO, device profiles, remote locking/erase, certificates — the whole deal. There was even some weird internal app store. I asked them where I could get my company phone to set up all this, and they replied no, you just use your personal phone. I ha…

people seem to be way too accepting of this stuff nowadays. seems to me as soon as BYOD setups got popular, companies immediately used it to push infrastructure cost onto their employees.

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

HenryBemis wrote: post #45

Pasting my comment from the same piece of news discussed in HN yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26791402 ------------------ As Meja sang some years back: it's all about the money ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcXMhwF4EtQ)(cute song) Logbooks: someone needs to distribute them, collect them, read them, transfer the (many many many) written lines to a computer, validate the signature samples/writing s…

“ Logbooks: someone needs to distribute them, collect them, read them, transfer the (many many many) written lines to a computer, validate the signature samples/writing style, etc. etc.”

Welcome to the 21st century where time clocks that can send data to a computer in real time exist. Just scan your thumb and all the data is there. No primitive transcribing by hand. Geez what are you going to suggest next, faxing the records around? :)

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by michaelcampbell »

that_guy_iain wrote: post #31
karlkloss wrote: post #29

That would be totally illegal in Germany, and most of the EU. Not only the employee tracking and forcing them to install anything on their private devices, but also the data collection and not disclosing what is collected, where, and how long, and not implementing an automatic deletion.

Most of the employement practices in NA would be illegal in the EU. It seems really bad over there.

"most", really?

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by izacus »

paxys wrote: post #67

When I started my last job (decently large corp) there was a long onboarding session for mobile device setup. Email, Skype, a dozen other internal apps, 2FA authenticator, SSO, device profiles, remote locking/erase, certificates — the whole deal. There was even some weird internal app store. I asked them where I could get my company phone to set up all this, and they replied no, you just use your personal phone. I ha…

This is where Android massively outclasses iOS: it separates all company data in an isolated profile, has a separate location switch for work apps, has a separate notification switch for work apps and doesn't allow access to your private data. You can easily disable the whole setup yourself (and company doesn't control it) which easily makes notifications go away whenever.

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by spacemanmatt »

GuB-42 wrote: post #60
apples_oranges wrote: post #4

We need to stop building a world without trust. Always checking, ensuring, surveilling (,mining on a blockchain), this is anti-human and will only lead to unhappiness, burnout, depression. It's no way to live unless we want to be like the Borg eventually.

That's what you get with larger organizations. But these large organization is what allows for the specialization and economies of scale that make up modern civilization. For example, if you go to some big box store and forget to make you pay for something, I don't know many people who will point out the mistake and pay their due. The same people will probably be more inclined to do so if the shop in question is a sm…

Big box stores are also more likely to be associated with a lobbying group on their behalf, loss prevention scandals, and other things that deteriorate public trust.

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by michaelcampbell »

TheFattestNinja wrote: post #15
cedricgle wrote: post #9

I would like to see the employer reaction if someone has a Librem phone or any non Android/iOS mobile. Yet it's +800$ for this short satisfaction.

They'd just force you to buy one (if evil) / issue a cheap one from company (if friendly). Up to a couple of years ago I didn't have a (modern) smartphone, I had a Symbian Samsung and a LG Cookie. Had to upgrade because the canteen payment scrapped their "prepay credit" payment mechanism based on ID and would just take a live-generated-in-browser QR code instead. There was basically no cost to still support the old s…

> issue a cheap one from company (if friendly).

That'd be ideal. Use it at work, and leave it in the desk drawer overnight.

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by TeMPOraL »

trident5000 wrote: post #17
mustafa_pasi wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole crypto space is about replacing trust-based systems with trust-less systems.

Who cares? Completing a trustless transaction is not parallel to someone tracking your physical location.

Look past the surface of Bitcoin payments, and at the greater space of technologies around blockchains and cryptocurrencies.

The core idea they are all based on is that you can provide mathematically provable distributed consensus if you're willing to jump through enough hoops. That you can build systems that can achieve and enforce agreements without any need to trust the participants. All you need is to trade enough electricity for it. And so the whole crypto space is currently trying to refactor every single aspect of our society to eliminate the need for trusting other people.

The problem is, they're looking at it from the wrong end. The right way of looking at it is, interpersonal trust is a huge performance optimization. It's what allows societies to exist and cooperate without jumping through hoops or burning more electricity than a developed country just to send small amounts of money around.

What the crypto space is explicitly trying to do is to eliminate the most important feature of our civilization.

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by rahkiin »

izacus wrote: post #76
paxys wrote: post #67

When I started my last job (decently large corp) there was a long onboarding session for mobile device setup. Email, Skype, a dozen other internal apps, 2FA authenticator, SSO, device profiles, remote locking/erase, certificates — the whole deal. There was even some weird internal app store. I asked them where I could get my company phone to set up all this, and they replied no, you just use your personal phone. I ha…

This is where Android massively outclasses iOS: it separates all company data in an isolated profile, has a separate location switch for work apps, has a separate notification switch for work apps and doesn't allow access to your private data. You can easily disable the whole setup yourself (and company doesn't control it) which easily makes notifications go away whenever.

Does that work with the ‘remote locking/erase’ requirement OP stated?
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