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Ask HN: I feel my career is at a dead end. Any advice on what could I do?

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Re: Ask HN: I feel my career is at a dead end. Any advice on what could I do?

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i would like to get a 6- or 12-month follow-up from OP.

i think concern about age is very warranted.

i think you should try to casually talk to your manager(s) about going back/down to a role where you can do more of what you want. give back some salary if you need to.

if that fails, then start looking around.

then raise the issue again with your manager(s) as a more serious issue -- i.e. you really want this.

being burned out is affecting your home life, too, so your wife/kids get to experience your depression.

my new pet cause is a 4-day work week.

don't know if i'll be able to achieve it this time around, but i feel like it would offer some protection against the dread of a boring 'dead-end' job.

one company i just talked to has 'mental health fridays' -- one friday off a month. seemed like some kind of important admission (of guilt) -- or a commentary on the state of work in 2021.

Re: Ask HN: I feel my career is at a dead end. Any advice on what could I do?

#72
Buy some ETH and learn about the blockchain and defi. Some smart people expect ETH to go to 10k or more this year, based on this the code change in July, along with an inflationary collapse of fiat. You could do some videos, or websites based on 11ty and jamstack. It sounds like you are capable. There are some very promising alt-coins that run on ETH that could see 20,000 percent gains this year after the July code change in ETH. A first project - generate your own seed phrase with dice or atmospheric TRNG streams and validate it offline on a secure OS (openBSD?). You could write a python program to do this. You could also help us all get away from centralized banking and services. Good luck.

Re: Ask HN: I feel my career is at a dead end. Any advice on what could I do?

#73
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Look into Technical Program Management as a career track.

6 years of TPM'ing in BigTech. I'm looking to come "back" to Software Engineering where I could do more of the "real TPM" work than in my current Senior TPM position.

I'm finding that this role is being diluted by Program Managers with very little if any technical background. (Sometimes they learn enough of basic scripting, and suddenly get the T). But this is not the same as an engineer that had built stuff for years.

These people are indispensable in handling the organizatioal chaos, but are less efficient in preventing it, and driving the overall vision, especially if a problem being solved is deeply technical and strategy and tech issues are intertwined (they always are in e.g. scalable infrastructure).

I'm finding that deep technical and strategic organizational vision increasingly belongs to just very senior Software Engineers, who may stop coding, start working more with people, but actually never convert to TPM.

Re: Ask HN: I feel my career is at a dead end. Any advice on what could I do?

#74

Welcome to the paradoxical dichotomy in IT: In order to be a top notch (line/product/project) manager, you need to have relevant experience in engineering itself. Also, the higher value for any company is engineers that are great at multiplying themselves by keeping a whole team aligned with the organization's goals. But in order to be a great engineer, you need have lots of curiosity and an affinity to tinkering, no…

Hi endymi0n, thank you. The first one is a very interesting approach, unfortunately I can't work on side projects right now because a baby is coming in next months so the 'spiral learning' approach could be suitable for me

Re: Ask HN: I feel my career is at a dead end. Any advice on what could I do?

#75
> I like coding (that's why I started this job, I also consider myself good at coding) I like to learn and explore new things.

Choosing managerial track is far more dangerous than being developer in the context of job secruity. Managerial roles vary from company to company and you can not show what you learned as a manager, since its mostly depends on the team members which you do not have much control. Once you leave the organization or if the company goes down, managers go down with it and very hard to find jobs because most people who don't like coding are competing for the manager jobs. There are lots of people in that category.

On the other hand Managers are paid much more than developers i hear, but i doubt its not more than 1.5x of a senior developer salary. In my opinion is not worth the risk. If you are a developer you can constantly learn and stay relevant.

I might be totally wrong, willing to hear the other perspective. If you feel i am being not polite to managers please understand i am not good with managing people and hence probably i downplay managers role to feel superior. Its possible this is the case.

Re: Ask HN: I feel my career is at a dead end. Any advice on what could I do?

#77
There is ALWAYS work for a senior engineer who keeps his blade sharp. Just because you have years put in, it doesn't mean you need to get into management. Dive deeper, become an even better engineer. You have years on the job, something money can't buy and companies WANT.

Just don't be one of those older engineer codger that still pushes for subversion instead of git and prefers php instead of something modern. That's a fast track to becoming irrelevant and unhireable. Keep up to date and SHARP.

Re: Ask HN: I feel my career is at a dead end. Any advice on what could I do?

#78

Come to Google! No forced management track so you can code for as long as you want, no ageism (colleague just turned 60; I'm 40 myself), will probably let you support a family, great WLB :)

I would love to work at google. I am an older coder and founder but I doubt highly I could pass the tests to even get an interview. :(

> but I doubt highly I could pass the tests to even get an interview.

I don’t get this “won’t even try” attitude for a job interview - what is the worst thing that could happen?

Re: Ask HN: I feel my career is at a dead end. Any advice on what could I do?

#79
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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a way to a stack of money. Which may not give you fulfillment but it does you options.

of course it's a way and it pays well. but once you've become debt free and have some savings in the bank, it loses it's appeal exponentially. this leads to burn out, lack of motivation, people questioning their career choices/decisions

OP doesn’t seem to be financially independent just yet:

> I have family, I can't risk to lose my job

Maybe building FAANG CRUD apps can offer something here

Re: Ask HN: I feel my career is at a dead end. Any advice on what could I do?

#80
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m glad you have time for this! I’m 37 and haven’t had time for personal tech projects in years; family, home ownership and life have all gotten in the way. I’m on the management side (senior director equivalent), but I do make more than any of my engineers and I probably spend 50% less time working. I do a mix of people management, architecture design and executive communication, but it’s 95% stuff that falls into…

Are you openly bragging about making more money while working half as much as the people you are supposed to be responsible for? I would be embarrassed to write that.

> I would be embarrassed to write that.

And working twice as long for half as much

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