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Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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Post by capableweb »

Judgmentality wrote: post #33
chevill wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its just becoming more like reddit. Reddit has some great information and content if you know where to look and don't stick to the most popular subs. Twitch is the same way. Twitch has some great programming/game dev/traditional art/digital art streams. Also some great channels where people build mechanical keyboards and sometimes other electronics stuff. I just wish it was easier to permanently filter out channels t…

It's not just becoming more like reddit. Reddit still allows you to post porn and whatever you want in your own subreddits, and you can even make subreddits invite only. Twitch inconsistently applies the ban hammer across the board. DMCA takedowns apply to everyone, even if it's your ringtone while you're coding with just 1 viewer. And takedowns rarely are given any sort of explanation, and if you aren't already a bi…

> Reddit still allows you to post [...] whatever you want in your own subreddits, and you can even make subreddits invite only.

Reddit allows a lot, sure. But they don't allow _anything_, there are some things, while not illegal, are still off-limits. Like making fun of fat people. Sure, I agree, not every platform needs to host every idiots opinion, but if you go out with "We will not ban questionable subreddits" it feels slightly weird if you then reverse your position only weeks later.

Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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Post by lwansbrough »

BlueTemplar wrote: post #67
rwmj wrote: post #60

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> a combo of a greedy company, a user experience that gets worse and worse, and a new tech coming out Interestingly Youtube has 2 out of 3 - greedy company running ads every 3 minutes, and constant full screen badgering about cookies and sign-ups. I wonder what the new tech will be that will complete the set?

You don't think that PeerTube can do it ?

End users don’t care about decentralization — it’s not a feature, it’s an implementation detail. Unless PeerTube beats competitors on UX (both for viewers and creators), why use it?

Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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Post by Causality1 »

rwmj wrote: post #60
astrobe_ wrote: post #38

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Twitch itself replaced HitboxTV, which was pretty much in Twitch's situation today: a de facto monopoly, and technical issues (they offered either the resource hungry Flashplayer or a semi-broken HTML5 implementation). SO what will disrupt Twitch is the same thing as usual: a combo of a greedy company, a user experience that gets worse and worse, and a new tech coming out.

> a combo of a greedy company, a user experience that gets worse and worse, and a new tech coming out Interestingly Youtube has 2 out of 3 - greedy company running ads every 3 minutes, and constant full screen badgering about cookies and sign-ups. I wonder what the new tech will be that will complete the set?

Oh that's an easy one. The new tech is when YouTube invents a way to prevent adblocking.

Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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Post by algorias »

busterarm wrote: post #69
BlueTemplar wrote: post #68

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Like YouTube, Twitch is pretty good at bypassing adblockers.

I can't remember the last time I've seen an ad on either. And also the main point was that Twitch does a terrible job at monetizing off their ads. They have the worst advertising platform. Ads on Twitch run for all streamers. There's very little targeting capability and they strike individual deals for all ads on their system rather than purchase from a DSP.

Twitch takes a 30-50% cut of revenue from subs, which is an incredible money printing machine. Ads aren't there to make money for twitch. They're there to annoy users into subscribing.

Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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Post by busterarm »

algorias wrote: post #74
busterarm wrote: post #69

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I can't remember the last time I've seen an ad on either. And also the main point was that Twitch does a terrible job at monetizing off their ads. They have the worst advertising platform. Ads on Twitch run for all streamers. There's very little targeting capability and they strike individual deals for all ads on their system rather than purchase from a DSP.

Twitch takes a 30-50% cut of revenue from subs, which is an incredible money printing machine. Ads aren't there to make money for twitch. They're there to annoy users into subscribing.

As much as you're right here, you missed the point.

They're still struggling to make a profit.

Turns out their business probably needs both to work.

Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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Post by Grollicus »

slightwinder wrote: post #22
lrae wrote: post #20

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If you don't filter by English (or anything else), it's only two in the Top 200 right now. One of them is dancing (which then seems fine to me), one is doing ASMR and her outfit today isn't even that much of a "titty streamer". And zero in hot tubs. Didn't expect HN to fall for the incel memes like that. Also didn't think I need to give that advice here, but Twitch's frontpage and suggestions in the sidebar are perso…

At the moment there are 3 somewhat known hot tube-streamers on twitch, and they are brought up by the haters all the time. Which is kind if a joke, considering that there are >1 million others streamers at the same time. I'm curious how bad twitchs bubble-effect must be for people to be so limited in their experience.

Currently when I visit twitch of the 4 streams they recommend me (https://www.twitch.tv/directory/following) they show:

- some sleeping stream "HE WOKE UP widepeepoHappy !SUBATHON !GIFTCAP DON'T FORGET TO SUBSCRIBE :)"

- hot tub stream 1 "HOT TUB BIKINI TRY ONSUBATHONSHAMELESS!IG: amouranth!socials"

- league of legends tournament "GEN vs T1ㅣ2021 LCK Spring PLAYOFFS Round 2"

- hot tub stream 2 "CUTEST HOT TUB GIRL ™ © 1080PIG: indiefoxx.tv!socials "

I'm generally watching niche content - diablo2, starcraft, some league of legends here and there. Never shown an ounce of interest in hot tub streams or similar content. Still, that's how my recommendations look all the time over the last weeks, at least at this time of the day. Trying to nudge me to that kind of content.

I can understand people criticizing that.

Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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Post by 0xy »

dt3ft wrote: post #45
echelon wrote: post #27

Is anything capable of disrupting Twitch at this point? YouTube would be impossible to disrupt, but Twitch is ephemeral. So maybe if enough people got outraged?

It is possible. Here’s how: - reach out to 20 biggest streamers on twitch and get them to agree to move to your platform, the same way spotify got Joe Rogan to move from YT to Spotify - with signed agreements ready get funding - build the platform, and all accompanying streamer tools, preferably fix all major issues that twitch has - set the date for launch - launch, with all your onboarded twitch streamers streaming…

The 20 biggest streamers alone would require well over 8 figures, possibly even 9 figures. Cloning Twitch's functionality would cost millions as well, as well as millions in monthly running costs. CDN bandwidth is not cheap.

Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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Post by zokier »

provodjl wrote: post #25
GuB-42 wrote: post #23

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There is already a lot of raytracing in the demoscene, no need for RTX. RTX accelerates ray intersection on a typical scene from a video game. But demos are usually not typical scenes, instead using mathematical models like signed distance fields that work differently. There are other issues: you need compatible hardware, it is not well supported by OpenGL if at all, there may be too much overhead for 64k or less int…

Demos outside of small sized intros usually still work with traditional mesh geometry, so RTX could have been helpful at least there. It's just not that many people are doing big demos anymore. For small intros it's almost as you say -- RTX is mostly uninsteresting and not that helpful for current status quo at least on the surface. However, while SDFs are do indeed provide a relatively cheap and intuitive way to spe…

I was fearing that Vulkan might be bit verbose for small intros (like e.g. 4k)... Do you happen to know if DirectX (DXR) is as bad these days?

Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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Post by BlueTemplar »

lwansbrough wrote: post #72
BlueTemplar wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't think that PeerTube can do it ?

End users don’t care about decentralization — it’s not a feature, it’s an implementation detail. Unless PeerTube beats competitors on UX (both for viewers and creators), why use it?

Creators have been pissed off about ContentID for nearly a decade now, but until recently there wasn't a good enough alternative to YouTube.

Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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Post by Jon_Lowtek »

capableweb wrote: post #70
slim wrote: post #66

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many white males still have their nipples despite the ban. I feel the ban is mainly enforced on females. which is a shame.

True. I wonder where the limit goes. If a male has bigger breasts and show a nipple, would that be bannable? What if a male gets breast implants a shows a nipple, bannable? Or vice-versa, a girl with very small breasts but showing nipple gets banned while a man with same size breasts showing nipple doesn't get banned? How in the holy hell did the US get that way? It's in no way Twitch's fault, I just wonder how an en…

> How did the US get that way?

Influence of prudish christian sects that preached that people should look modest and cover themselves and that any display of eroticism is a temptation to sin. Add hundreds of years of cultural "refinement" and you end up with a ban on casual nipples.

> Why the gender difference?

Well classically if a prudish women would find a man working and sweating topless and a bunch of young women enjoying the show giggling, both would be shouted at for indecent behavior and the man would be asked to cover up. It is that "cultural refinement" that created a gap by allowing the sexual objectification of men in cola commercials, while banning female nipples. Most such taboos have fallen in the 60s, but the prudes tried to make a stand on banning the eroticised display of naked female breasts and the current deal is an idiotic compromise.

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