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Re: Social media addiction linked to cyberbullying

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In recent years, I have found my internet experiences enormously frustrating because I used to have real friends via internet. We exchanged Christmas presents. They helped me sort out how to raise my challenging children. I always had someone to talk with any time of the day or night when I was having insomnia or whatever. And I haven't had stuff like in recent years. I just thought it was me because I spent a few ye…

>I just thought it was me As a counter anecdote, I have a group of about 15 real friends on the internet that I met mostly on an instant messaging app. Real friends to the point of meeting up and going on holidays together without actually knowing their full real names.

It can be "a little of column A and a little of column B." Conditions being generally worse will hit some people harder than others.

I'm not suggesting that it's simply impossible to make constructive connections anymore. I'm only saying that I spent some years thinking the change was 100 percent about me and my life and maybe it wasn't 100 percent me.

Maybe it was at least partly general conditions. And I couldn't see that because my life being derailed was very in my face and I just figured that was the entire explanation.

Re: Social media addiction linked to cyberbullying

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I've thought about this problem a lot - I want to create a social network that has the following attributes: - $1 a year to participate - You must read posts/articles to reply. Imagine the mechanism in which this is determined to be "perfect." - No pictures - Karma is gathered by writing posts that are read a lot, as opposed to comments that have a lot of "upvotes." - Upvotes/downvoting doesn't exist. From my experie…

However you measure something being "read a lot" is basically the same thing as upvotes. People will try to game it to get more readers. Unless you are saying posts will not be sorted by popularity in which case discover-ability of good writing will be a problem (high noise to signal ratio).

Re: Social media addiction linked to cyberbullying

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What I'm not seeing is what is going on in the lives of these people that fosters such negative behavior. These studies almost never ask questions like "Are you being abused by your parents?" or "Have you been molested?" There is this presumption that they engage in malicious behavior simply because they think they can get away with it, basically. It's an "idle hands are the devil's workshop" theory and generally lac…

I would bet on a large scale it's not people who are being abused, just people who are miserable and unhappy with their lives for whatever reason.

I'm not trying to suggest "Bullies are all abused people."

I said These studies almost never ask questions like ... That was very intentional.

"I'm being abused" is merely one example of someone having a crappy life. There are lots of ways a person's life can be crappy.

So your comment doesn't really disagree with my suggestion, though it sort of seems to. I'm only suggesting that bullies are probably miserable and taking their misery out on other people and that element isn't actually examined by most studies.

The study characterizes these cyberbullies as males who spend too much time online. I object to that.

That more or less smears men and people who spend a lot of time online without finding any real cause. I think it's a characterization that amounts to harmful disinformation.

It's not much different from racial profiling which people object to for the implication that "people of color are just immoral and inherently inclined to be criminal." (Among other reasons.)

I object to this study essentially pointing fingers at innocent characteristics as if they are causal without finding any meaningful causes. It doesn't even seem to look for meaningful causes.

I spend a lot of time online. That doesn't per se make me more inclined to bully people.

I do my damnedest to be a decent person in spite of having a very difficult life. I've been on the receiving end of bullying on a forum where it was mod policy to actively encourage members to pick on certain people and then the mods would act like the people being bullied were at fault for any drama that swirled around them when there was no means for those people to shut that crap down (I have reason to believe I continued to be stalked by some of these assholes even after they banned me).

I was homeless at the time and it was an extremely classist forum.

So there's no doubt all kinds of factors that contribute to such behavior. But this study doesn't seem to list a single thing that looks like a meaningful contributor.

The mods were a large part of the problem on the forum where I was harassed. That doesn't mean "Becoming a mod puts you at greater risk of becoming a bully."

Those people were just assholes who found themselves in an easily abusable position of power. Some of them were assholes who were very open about their childhood baggage, such as having an alcoholic father.

So personal baggage was a contributing factor. But we all can choose whether our baggage is a source of compassion for the suffering of others or a bullshit excuse to kick others while they are down.

These folks chose to kick me while I was down while bragging to the world about what amazingly woke and good people they are. And most people buy their BS about being good people and woke people and fail to see how they actively and intentionally crap on some people for no real reason.

Re: Social media addiction linked to cyberbullying

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I think partially it's that mainstream social media has become a hell-hole. I've found HN to be much better for discussion in general (recognizing that this is not the case for everyone), and have participated in IRC rooms and whatnot where if I spent more time I could probably consider the people there friends, while still retaining individualism. I tend towards grumpy isolationism however, so I may not be a good st…

I think your observations are accurate. I've also noticed the problem, and that private-ish group conversations like WhatsApp groups and small Discord servers are so much better than Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and co. The only problem is discoverability -- because groups like these are private, it's very hard to discover the ones you'd like to join. I'm currently working on an early-stage startup on this space, and…

Discoverability is an anti-feature. Small groups are good because they have a small number of long term users who you get to know. Everyone is less inclined to troll because they are emotionally invested in the group and being on good terms with other users.

How you end up in these groups is you either get invited by real life friends or you hang around in a big public group for a while, make friends with people who will then invite you to these smaller groups.

Because users have to be invited rather than just finding the group on a search page, the users are of higher quality and share similar interests.

Re: Social media addiction linked to cyberbullying

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When you interact online, you fundamentally are interacting with only yourself. It is a solipsistic endeavor. You fundamentally choose which comments to respond to; unlike the real world, where a conversation occurs between two people, you can instantly drive into a conversation whenever you see fit, and leave whenever you wish also. Therefore, the choice of which conversation, which comment, is entirely yours. And s…

> Therefore, the choice of which conversation, which comment, is entirely yours. It's not that simple though. You're likely to be part of a broader community and simply deciding to leave that community, and all of your friends, over the actions of one person, is not very reasonable. Often times we are forced to be around people we don't particularly like. When that person does something valuable, they get a level of…

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Re: Social media addiction linked to cyberbullying

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When you interact online, you fundamentally are interacting with only yourself. It is a solipsistic endeavor. You fundamentally choose which comments to respond to; unlike the real world, where a conversation occurs between two people, you can instantly drive into a conversation whenever you see fit, and leave whenever you wish also. Therefore, the choice of which conversation, which comment, is entirely yours. And s…

> Therefore, the choice of which conversation, which comment, is entirely yours. It's not that simple though. You're likely to be part of a broader community and simply deciding to leave that community, and all of your friends, over the actions of one person, is not very reasonable. Often times we are forced to be around people we don't particularly like. When that person does something valuable, they get a level of…

Yes, but reasonable to leave over the actions of many people.

Re: Social media addiction linked to cyberbullying

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What I'm not seeing is what is going on in the lives of these people that fosters such negative behavior. These studies almost never ask questions like "Are you being abused by your parents?" or "Have you been molested?" There is this presumption that they engage in malicious behavior simply because they think they can get away with it, basically. It's an "idle hands are the devil's workshop" theory and generally lac…

I don't think it's only adolescents. You can see rich Google employees bullying poorer developers on Twitter in the name of social justice. Some of the bullies must be at least 50 years old. Social media and Twitter are bad because you can form virtual tribes and yield to age-old instincts. The more individualistic people are, the less they join those tribes. Individualists tend to be grumpy though, for which they ar…

> The more individualistic people are, the less they join those tribes. Individualists tend to be grumpy though, for which they are bullied by the perfect Twitter moralists.

As a grumpy individualist, I'm not on Twitter, so it's pretty hard to bully me there. There's people there, why would I want to be there?

Re: Social media addiction linked to cyberbullying

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's only adolescents. You can see rich Google employees bullying poorer developers on Twitter in the name of social justice. Some of the bullies must be at least 50 years old. Social media and Twitter are bad because you can form virtual tribes and yield to age-old instincts. The more individualistic people are, the less they join those tribes. Individualists tend to be grumpy though, for which they ar…

My personal rule of thumb is that I don’t trust anybody whose Twitter profile picture is a photo of themselves.

I fall in to that group so you're probably right not to.

Re: Social media addiction linked to cyberbullying

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I wonder if social media had the potential to be a force of good or if it was doomed from the start. I'd like to run an AB experiment where social media companies didn't optimize for engagement. And maybe an AB experiment where they tried to optimize for healthy usage, even if it harmed engagement.

What's your threshold for doomed? The kinds of conversations/actions that have happened haven't changed all that much since the Internet as we know it began. The term "flamewar" and "troll" were coined on Usenet. The only differences between now and then is scale and visibility.

In addition, how does one define "engagement" and "healthy usage"? Way back when, people spent much of their free time on a landline. Does one go on to blame AT&T for "optimizing for engagement" by providing a service that could keep people connected to any person in the country for hours upon hours while the phone company made millions minute-by-minute? Ultimately this depends on the person and his/her wants/needs (however "unhealthy" you think they might be) and those can only be determined by oneself regardless of how much data someone else collects.

Your AB experiment would only work if you had sentient gingerbread men as a control group. Even then, I doubt it would say or change much about what people do on a person-to-person basis.

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