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Re: I don't care about cookies

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Post by tomjen3 »

polocode wrote: post #55

Honestly, I think it is our job as the creators/hackers to come up with a better solution. The problem is very real, and needs to be fixed. But no good solution has ever been created by lawyers. Ever. So here we are, left with a forest of cookie warnings that perfectly break the internet. So here is a proposal: What if a user could declare her/his consent settings _before_ opening the website? There would no longer b…

A much better way: you must ask for consent through something like navigator.cookieconsent, which will trigger the browser specific resolver (that may, or may not, show a prompt for the user depending on her choices). If you set a cookie before this, it will be silently ignored.

To work with js free sites, you can feed the same information through in a tag for the HTML.

We don't need an exemption for necessary cookies, since the only reason a site would need to set a necessary cookie is to remember the users choice, and the browser can do that better.

If the user logs in, by filling out a username and password field, a single cookie should automatically be saved.

I imagine Firefox is the best browser to get this started in. Anybody has any pointers to how to get the ball moving?

Re: I don't care about cookies

#72

Post by Daho0n »

yuriko_boyko wrote: post #68
II2II wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you tried going through these new popups? If they are trustworthy then the current ones allow you to disable some cookies and give you an idea of who is doing the tracking. Even though there are far better ways to manage cookies with browser settings and extensions: the options are sometimes quite limited (e.g. Chrome on Android) and many people would simply be unaware of cookies without these popups. Those peop…

The list of cookies is so long that one might read 5 articles before reading the entire thing written in small print. Good luck if English is your second language.

Then don't and refuse the cookies and tracking.

Re: I don't care about cookies

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Post by Daho0n »

Tarq0n wrote: post #61
undersuit wrote: post #41

I use Firefox Focus as my primary browser on the phone. I get some kind of thrill agreeing to cookies from sites that are going to disappear from my history in minutes.

That means you also gave permission for them to identify you, store and process that data. And with things like canvas fingerprinting it doesn't matter that you deleted the cookies, they have a persistent identifier for you anyway.

>they have a persistent identifier for you anyway

I don't believe this to be true. My CS1 browser fingerprinting[1] results shows that Internet Explorer and Chromium (Chrome etc.) are trackable with fingerprinting but Firefox (at least for me) is not, neither on desktop or mobile. Of course they might have found something the researchers have not.

1: https://browser-fingerprint.cs.fau.de/

Re: I don't care about cookies

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Post by jesboat »

koolba wrote: post #30
raverbashing wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For those, I wanted an extension that replaced data on the cookies with some random data at every access Enjoy tracking that

There’s the added joy that some poorly written data munger is going to crash when it receives session tokens that never existed.

Any sufficiently large data analyzer is going to handle that already. Even if you have reliable delivery of the "session created" event into the analyzer, you'll still occasionally get wonky data from bit flips.

Re: I don't care about cookies

#75

Post by jesboat »

ronjouch wrote: post #25
fctorial wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Browsers should allow users to install extensions from github.

AFAIK, Firefox does, if you're running the beta/nightly channel (and maybe you need to have set an about:config pref too, I forgot, search about it). I install the beta release of uBlock Origin from its GitHub releases page. EDIT: browser makers are understandably cautious about it, even with a closed ecosystem it's already hard enough for them to avoid half their users getting pushed into installing dubious/malware…

It'd be neat if extension stores could integrate with some CI system(s). The store could just tell the user "built from ". Best of both worlds.

Re: I don't care about cookies

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Post by _nalply »

II2II wrote: post #57
topspin wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The consent popups you see aren't just about cookies though. I don't care about all the other stuff the popups are about either. The popups are pointless, click-through damage and they serve no purpose. The laws that caused them to exist are equally pointless. There is no measurable benefit to any of this privacy theater and no less tracking is occurring since the advent of all of these pointless popups.

Have you tried going through these new popups? If they are trustworthy then the current ones allow you to disable some cookies and give you an idea of who is doing the tracking. Even though there are far better ways to manage cookies with browser settings and extensions: the options are sometimes quite limited (e.g. Chrome on Android) and many people would simply be unaware of cookies without these popups. Those peop…

These popups are designed to waste your time.

What's needed is a global setting to say no to everything.

Daniel from Croatia, perhaps could you add a checkbox (opt-in) to the extension with the text: «I declare that I don't want to be tracked and don't want to be bothered with questions about privacy.» and a link to a more detailed manifesto, if not already done?

Re: I don't care about cookies

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Post by _nalply »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #52
rlpb wrote: post #7

The consent popups you see aren't just about cookies though. They want (and sometimes illegally force) you to consent to processing of your personal information for reasons beyond just providing you with a service (or more commonly just reading an article). Cookies might be one technical means to assist with that, but it's not the only means.

Well consumer irritation with these popups is causing more and more sites to consider trackingless ads now. It's a hot topic in the EU. I agree this is the wrong way to go about the issue but it does seem to have some positive effects as well.

I hope that there are positive effects. I wonder how to measure them.

Re: I don't care about cookies

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Post by dheera »

II2II wrote: post #57
topspin wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The consent popups you see aren't just about cookies though. I don't care about all the other stuff the popups are about either. The popups are pointless, click-through damage and they serve no purpose. The laws that caused them to exist are equally pointless. There is no measurable benefit to any of this privacy theater and no less tracking is occurring since the advent of all of these pointless popups.

Have you tried going through these new popups? If they are trustworthy then the current ones allow you to disable some cookies and give you an idea of who is doing the tracking. Even though there are far better ways to manage cookies with browser settings and extensions: the options are sometimes quite limited (e.g. Chrome on Android) and many people would simply be unaware of cookies without these popups. Those peop…

They don't work for me.

> disable some cookies

No, f*k "some cookies". I block ALL cookies except for a few sites I need to log into. That means, ironically, the godawful popups can't set a cookie to remember that I don't want cookies, and they keep popping up every time I go back to that site.

The popups are a horrible experience, as are "please sign up for the newsletter" popups. I don't read any newsletters. I use uBlock Origin which gets rid of most popups, Intercom chat boxes, and other annoyances.

Re: I don't care about cookies

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Post by Aeolun »

II2II wrote: post #57
topspin wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The consent popups you see aren't just about cookies though. I don't care about all the other stuff the popups are about either. The popups are pointless, click-through damage and they serve no purpose. The laws that caused them to exist are equally pointless. There is no measurable benefit to any of this privacy theater and no less tracking is occurring since the advent of all of these pointless popups.

Have you tried going through these new popups? If they are trustworthy then the current ones allow you to disable some cookies and give you an idea of who is doing the tracking. Even though there are far better ways to manage cookies with browser settings and extensions: the options are sometimes quite limited (e.g. Chrome on Android) and many people would simply be unaware of cookies without these popups. Those peop…

> and many people would simply be unaware of cookies without these popups

They are still unaware. Do you honestly think anybody even reads what is on the popup? They just click accept or ok to make it go away immediately.

Re: I don't care about cookies

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Post by hutghkiuhg »

_nalply wrote: post #76
II2II wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you tried going through these new popups? If they are trustworthy then the current ones allow you to disable some cookies and give you an idea of who is doing the tracking. Even though there are far better ways to manage cookies with browser settings and extensions: the options are sometimes quite limited (e.g. Chrome on Android) and many people would simply be unaware of cookies without these popups. Those peop…

These popups are designed to waste your time. What's needed is a global setting to say no to everything. Daniel from Croatia, perhaps could you add a checkbox (opt-in) to the extension with the text: «I declare that I don't want to be tracked and don't want to be bothered with questions about privacy.» and a link to a more detailed manifesto, if not already done?

Speculating here, we could call the checbox "Do Not Track", and make it a browser setting.

HN would probably love this. Oh, wait...

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