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Breaking the warp barrier for faster-than-light travel

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Re: Breaking the warp barrier for faster-than-light travel

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Post by tetris11 »

rdsubhas wrote: post #7
monkeycantype wrote: post #3

We don’t need hyperexotic negative energy to travel to the stars, we just need to live a lot longer, and we need our friends and family to live longer too so we can comeback and see them again.

I kind of disagree here. 50 thousand years — it doesn't matter if people are biologically alive. You, your friends, family, society, relationships — would all be very, very different when you come back. If you just meant "see friends and family", yeah technically you could see each other I guess. Practically, might as well be an alien.

You take an instance of the people you want to take with you, and they take an instance of you in return. It won't feel like goodbye.

50,000 years later you sync memories if there has no been trickle of communication in that time between you and your instances

Re: Breaking the warp barrier for faster-than-light travel

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Post by monkeycantype »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #48
akvadrako wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From your own perspective you are always stationary, it's just the universe that is moving (and shrinking).

Quote from the original claim: > After I found all this out, I concluded space travel isn't THAT hard, assuming you have a way to accelerate constantly at 1g for 22 years (that is the hardest part actually), you can get anywhere in the galaxy in a human lifetime, no need for generation ships, cryogenics or other crazy tech. They are saying add a constant 1g acceleration and you can get anywhere relatively quickly, no…

As an example, from the perspective of a photon, the trip takes 0 seconds, the photon is emitted and absorbed at its destination with no (subjective) travel time

Re: Breaking the warp barrier for faster-than-light travel

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Post by monkeycantype »

tetris11 wrote: post #71
rdsubhas wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I kind of disagree here. 50 thousand years — it doesn't matter if people are biologically alive. You, your friends, family, society, relationships — would all be very, very different when you come back. If you just meant "see friends and family", yeah technically you could see each other I guess. Practically, might as well be an alien.

You take an instance of the people you want to take with you, and they take an instance of you in return. It won't feel like goodbye. 50,000 years later you sync memories if there has no been trickle of communication in that time between you and your instances

do we read the same greg egan books?

Re: Breaking the warp barrier for faster-than-light travel

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Post by hungryforcodes »

nynx wrote: post #57
mooseburger wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you experience discontinuity every night when you sleep Something dubious about this. No one thinks they're annhiliated upon sleeping, then reconstituted upon waking. Even adhering to materialism, the problem with mind uploads is the same problem as with teleportation: a copy is being made. Destroying the original does not mean a consciousness transfer then magically occurs from the original to the target. For mind…

Some people do think that. There are whole fields of philosophy about it. > Even adhering to materialism, the problem... If you don’t require continuous experience, then this issue goes away. You certainly didn’t experience living before you were conceived. My view is that consciousness is an emergent property of informational and processing structure of the brain (and possible other systems as well)—-I don’t see any…

This seems naive. If you have a brain and you make a digital copy of it...you now have two copies (assuming you can even make a perfect digital copy, which seems doubtful). What does that mean for continuous experience? Who are you at that point? WHICH one are you? Then you kill the first one...effectively murder. Philosophers have never been credited with their practical abilities...only theoretical.

Re: Breaking the warp barrier for faster-than-light travel

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Post by nynx »

hungryforcodes wrote: post #74
nynx wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people do think that. There are whole fields of philosophy about it. > Even adhering to materialism, the problem... If you don’t require continuous experience, then this issue goes away. You certainly didn’t experience living before you were conceived. My view is that consciousness is an emergent property of informational and processing structure of the brain (and possible other systems as well)—-I don’t see any…

This seems naive. If you have a brain and you make a digital copy of it...you now have two copies (assuming you can even make a perfect digital copy, which seems doubtful). What does that mean for continuous experience? Who are you at that point? WHICH one are you? Then you kill the first one...effectively murder. Philosophers have never been credited with their practical abilities...only theoretical.

Uh, you're both. After that, the two copies would diverge, so they'd eventually have different experiences and personalities, but with a common past.

And yeah, killing one of them would be murder, if they've had a chance to diverge.

Re: Breaking the warp barrier for faster-than-light travel

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Post by monkeycantype »

GoblinSlayer wrote: post #50
rdsubhas wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I kind of disagree here. 50 thousand years — it doesn't matter if people are biologically alive. You, your friends, family, society, relationships — would all be very, very different when you come back. If you just meant "see friends and family", yeah technically you could see each other I guess. Practically, might as well be an alien.

It's a solved problem: just make the stars your home and live there. The ability to live among the stars is required for interstellar travel. That will be your place to come back. Those who travel among the stars don't live in dirt like earth pigs.

I would like to know more about how this problem was solved, so that I too may be freed from the indignity of living like an earth pig.
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