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Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by neffy »

endisneigh wrote: post #2

How is it possible that girls perform better academically (in 2015) yet are under represented in the top tier of jobs? Either women have no interest in money, academic skills have no bearing in getting high paying jobs, or discrimination is more prevalent then you’d think. I suppose all three could be true.

Lags in real time systems. To get into high paying jobs in most fields requires a 20-30 year apprenticeship.

So if by 2015 girls are performing better academically, then the expected time to see this in society would be 2035 or so. Just as with universal education, it starts to be available from the early 20th century, but it's not until post-war that large numbers of men from previously uneducated families start making it into the skilled workforce.

Our limited view at any given point is just a snapshot on eternity.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by endisneigh »

marklubi wrote: post #18
endisneigh wrote: post #2

How is it possible that girls perform better academically (in 2015) yet are under represented in the top tier of jobs? Either women have no interest in money, academic skills have no bearing in getting high paying jobs, or discrimination is more prevalent then you’d think. I suppose all three could be true.

Perhaps a fourth explanation... The vast majority of teachers are female, so maybe their teaching methods are favorable to girls

I suppose this is possible - how exactly do you think teaching methods are more favorable to girls compared to boys?

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by tester756 »

f430 wrote: post #20

lower testosterone is beneficial - less sexual ruminations - emotional intelligence and organization - cooperation over leadership - retains better short and long term memories - female adult role model is more likely to be available and present Unfortunately HN is dominated by testosterone driven gender so its impossible to have any sort of civilized discussions about this.

>- cooperation over leadership

In full women environments too?

I always felt or heard that e.g team made fully/majority of women tends to be anything but cooperative.

I felt like a lot of dishonesty was in those teams

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by lamp987 »

f430 wrote: post #20

lower testosterone is beneficial - less sexual ruminations - emotional intelligence and organization - cooperation over leadership - retains better short and long term memories - female adult role model is more likely to be available and present Unfortunately HN is dominated by testosterone driven gender so its impossible to have any sort of civilized discussions about this.

Nice b8

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by [deleted] »

aklemm wrote: post #48
spaniard89277 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having Babies. Really, being a mother is what skews most stats about women on money issues. There has been policymaking about this in a bunch of european countries, and if they are released from financial constrains (handouts, public housing, whatever) they seem to double down on it. Let's face it, working, for most people, is something you do out of necessity. Why do we really expect women to have a similar behaviou…

Having babies and raising them fully--especially doing it well--is not avoiding work.

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Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by scarmig »

aklemm wrote: post #48
spaniard89277 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having Babies. Really, being a mother is what skews most stats about women on money issues. There has been policymaking about this in a bunch of european countries, and if they are released from financial constrains (handouts, public housing, whatever) they seem to double down on it. Let's face it, working, for most people, is something you do out of necessity. Why do we really expect women to have a similar behaviou…

Having babies and raising them fully--especially doing it well--is not avoiding work.

It's not avoiding work, but it is making a choice to pursue one type of work (child rearing) over another (market labor in shitty, unfulfilling, but well-paid jobs). That's a choice women have substantially more ability to make than men.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by jvanderbot »

What's the metric? Average GPA? Average graduation rate? It seems so.

It is well documented that men drop out at higher rates and are in general more prone to failing. Having a few extra "zeros" in the GPA rankings would skew the mean down for males.

It's tempting to say that "Girls are better than boys in academic things", but if you look at the performance of a cohort of graduates, I'd expect you'd see we're all about equal.

After graduation, there's a couple other well documented attrition filters for women, unfortunately.

There was this old essay about it, which is now quite old and probably cancelled, called "Is there anything good about men" that discussed various life tradeoffs that affected the genders differently.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by renewiltord »

Kluny wrote: post #66
spaniard89277 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having Babies. Really, being a mother is what skews most stats about women on money issues. There has been policymaking about this in a bunch of european countries, and if they are released from financial constrains (handouts, public housing, whatever) they seem to double down on it. Let's face it, working, for most people, is something you do out of necessity. Why do we really expect women to have a similar behaviou…

> Why do we really expect women to have a similar behaviour of men about work, when they have a socially aceptable and now economical venue to avoid it. Baby raising is quite important work. I would argue that raising the next generation of workers, taxpayer, customers and pension fund contributors is the most important work of all.

Sure. You can replace "work" in his text with "work for hire" or something else if it helps you understand what he meant.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by pseudalopex »

rajin444 wrote: post #60
dekhn wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In many subfields of biology, women have achieved numerical parity at all levels (IE, there are roughly 50% women in entry and leadership positions). It seems like some highly quantitative fields which have traditionally been male-dominated (CS, physics) may very well be practicing some sort of entry discrimination. It's unclear what the full set of contributing factors are.

How do you know 50% is the correct amount of women at all levels?

They didn't say it is.
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