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Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

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Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

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Post by chmod600 »

subsubzero wrote: post #45
chmod600 wrote: post #36

I'm curious if there are good, informative studies about mental health and veganism. Arguably mental health is more important when considering a choice like veganism.

I found this: https://academic.oup.com/nutritionreviews/advance-article-ab... also: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/animals-and-us/20181... then there is the question: do people with mental health issues tend to gravitate towards veganism or is the diet itself is causing the issues. I would like to see a study with a large number of participants from diverse backgrounds who are meat eaters and then go vegan a…

You could have seven groups with varying levels of choice: group 1 is forced to be vegan, group 4 is the control group, and group 7 is forced to consume meat. Groups 2-3 would be nudged vegan, 5-6 would be nudged to eat meat.

Measure them all and get happiness and health curves after 5, 10, 15 years.

It would be expensive, but probably a better use of money than a lot of other stuff.

Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

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Post by asoneth »

bane wrote: post #54

When I was younger and training very heavily in some sports, I experimented a bit with different diets. Bottom-line the more meat heavy my diet, the faster I would heal from injuries -- radically so. For a while I went on a low-carb diet and ate a very heavy animal protein diet. I shed pounds, had absolutely unstoppable stamina, had far fewer injuries, stretching improved, basically never bruised, and healed from spo…

I found similar results when I tried a vegan diet. Like you, I suspect that I could have made it work if I spent the effort to figure out what was missing. If I actually lived my life according to my personal ethics that's what I'd do.

For now I've found vegetarianism significantly easier and a satisfactory compromise between ethics, health, and nutritional laziness.

Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

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Post by dempseye »

bane wrote: post #54

When I was younger and training very heavily in some sports, I experimented a bit with different diets. Bottom-line the more meat heavy my diet, the faster I would heal from injuries -- radically so. For a while I went on a low-carb diet and ate a very heavy animal protein diet. I shed pounds, had absolutely unstoppable stamina, had far fewer injuries, stretching improved, basically never bruised, and healed from spo…

What do you mean when you say you felt like a grease grenade?

Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

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Post by asoneth »

imwillofficial wrote: post #70
asoneth wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure any of the vegans I know would give up veganism in order to minimize their scars any more than the meat-eaters I know would give up meat based on studies that show it can be mildly unhealthy.

I reject your premise that eating meat makes you “mildly unhealthy”

Exactly.

[To clarify: I am not qualified to judge the general healthiness of any particular diet -- any sufficiently popular diet seems to have conflicting studies showing it is "healthy" and others showing it is "unhealthy". The point I intended to make above was that most people either outright reject or remain unswayed by these kinds of studies.]

Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

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Post by bane »

dempseye wrote: post #73
bane wrote: post #54

When I was younger and training very heavily in some sports, I experimented a bit with different diets. Bottom-line the more meat heavy my diet, the faster I would heal from injuries -- radically so. For a while I went on a low-carb diet and ate a very heavy animal protein diet. I shed pounds, had absolutely unstoppable stamina, had far fewer injuries, stretching improved, basically never bruised, and healed from spo…

What do you mean when you say you felt like a grease grenade?

Just very very greasy out of my pores. Oily all the time, 2 or 3 showers a day to keep the grease out of my hair. That sort of thing.

Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

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Post by lupire »

bane wrote: post #54

When I was younger and training very heavily in some sports, I experimented a bit with different diets. Bottom-line the more meat heavy my diet, the faster I would heal from injuries -- radically so. For a while I went on a low-carb diet and ate a very heavy animal protein diet. I shed pounds, had absolutely unstoppable stamina, had far fewer injuries, stretching improved, basically never bruised, and healed from spo…

Did you ensure that you maintained protein level when you went vegan/vegetarian? It's easy to eat much less protein if you aren't careful.

Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

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Post by da_big_ghey »

antattack wrote: post #9

What's the point of having a better looking scar if you're more likely to get colon cancer? Also, given that study itself measured Iron and B12, supplementing Iron and B12 may help scar healing w/o the (red) meat eating downside.

Others already said below research on red meat and colon cancer correlation is imperfect. It not to distinguish processed meats with not processed. It not consider for difference in cook methods producing potential carcinogen, say grill vs. bake. Also many people maybe are not predisposed to colon cancer, they prefer to have better healing and take a risk such like that.

Also study is compare of vegan. Not veggietarian. This mean potential beenfit from dairy. ALso potential white meat not reds. You have made a link from red meat to scar outcome where above study no created one. This is bad thinking.

Also you are say for supplementing remedy all problem on vegans. This supplements expensive need much research. Maybe hard for getting right. Why benefit from this and use vegans diet? If same results are come from meat. There am also chance for benefits not iron and b12 related but maybe collogen and other meat things.

Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

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Post by arcturus17 »

bane wrote: post #54

When I was younger and training very heavily in some sports, I experimented a bit with different diets. Bottom-line the more meat heavy my diet, the faster I would heal from injuries -- radically so. For a while I went on a low-carb diet and ate a very heavy animal protein diet. I shed pounds, had absolutely unstoppable stamina, had far fewer injuries, stretching improved, basically never bruised, and healed from spo…

I lift heavy about 4x week.

A lower-carb calorie-restricted diet makes me more alert and focused. On the other hand, I sleep like shit, my anxiety levels skyrocket, and I also feel moodier, particularly in the mornings. I also lose strength fairly quickly.

Eating at a surplus with carbs makes me more lethargic, lazy and less focused, but I sleep far better, and I’m in a happier, more social, mood. And of course I can make strength gains.

I tried surplus keto a while ago but didn’t enjoy it and didn’t see any of its touted benefits.

If I found a diet that was all positives like you described, I would probably hold on to it with my dear life.

What did your it consist of? Did you eat at a surplus or a deficit? And what made you quit?

Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

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Post by kiwiandroiddev »

As much as the results of this study confirm what I would expect, keep in mind it was an observational study and not a controlled experiment. There might be some other factor at play in the vegan group, say, other than just their diet.

Unfortunately I imagine an experiment to further investigate this would be hard to get past an ethics board. I.e. wounding the participants to see the effect on scar formation...

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