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Linus and Pull Requests (2012)

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Re: Linus and Pull Requests (2012)

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Post by jscholes »

KirillPanov wrote: post #54
dmart wrote: post #50

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With your example of a nested list, VSCode will correctly display line-wrapped inner items at the same indentation level.

Do you use VSCode to read your emails and edit Wikipedia? Will it do this for Markdown inside of comments in C/C++/Rust code? How does it even know you're using Markdown in comments as opposed to something else? (I'll have to trust your answers since I don't have a Windows machine, let alone a Visual Studio license)

> (I'll have to trust your answers since I don't have a Windows machine, let alone a Visual Studio license)

You don't need a Windows machine or Visual Studio license to use VS Code, which is both cross-platform and free.

Re: Linus and Pull Requests (2012)

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Post by cobraetor »

meowface wrote: post #12
cobraetor wrote: post #8

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> Curious - why do people get offended by Torvalds? Same reason why people get offended by replacing Git branch "master" to "main" or "blacklist" to "blocklist". No reasonable person particularly enjoys the increasing denigration of meritocracy and infiltration of woke neoracism into their sphere. https://newdiscourses.com/

Did you really have to shoehorn all that into a discussion about Torvalds's notoriously heated communication style and advertise some random left-criticism blog to boot?

If you can't connect all of this to the larger pattern of Woke propaganda in America, then I don't know what to tell you. Look up Christopher F. Rufo just for one example and how this propaganda is taking roots in schools and universities to brainwash the next generation of Americans.

Re: Linus and Pull Requests (2012)

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Post by meowface »

cobraetor wrote: post #72
meowface wrote: post #12

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Did you really have to shoehorn all that into a discussion about Torvalds's notoriously heated communication style and advertise some random left-criticism blog to boot?

If you can't connect all of this to the larger pattern of Woke propaganda in America, then I don't know what to tell you. Look up Christopher F. Rufo just for one example and how this propaganda is taking roots in schools and universities to brainwash the next generation of Americans.

Trying to tie this into every possible situation, no matter how tangentially related, seems a lot more like propaganda, brainwashing, and FUD than anything going on in this scenario.

Developers - many of whom are probably not "woke" - have been calling Torvalds a dick for decades.

Re: Linus and Pull Requests (2012)

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Post by andrewzah »

phist_mcgee wrote: post #47
andrewzah wrote: post #30

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I said part of the reason, not the sole reason. His projects have had immeasurable impact on computing, and it’s arrogant to dismiss that because you don’t like how he conducts himself. He can definitely do better regarding his language, that I agree with. But this specific instance isn’t even against the contributor but against GitHub. “they deserve respect, but we do not deserve it in turn” Nobody deserves respect.…

You are 100% perpetuating the culture of 'deserved abuse' that I spoke about. People DO deserve respect. Everyone does, and I will assume someone is a good person until proven otherwise. People like yourself and linus create toxic communities of insular looking people hurling insults outward to people looking, and feel justified in their behaviour because they have trod the golden path to 'earning the right to not be…

No, people deserve common decency. Respect is earned. I think we're going to disagree on terminology here. I do not think every person is automatically worthy of respect, until proven otherwise.

Linus has already apologized for his past outbursts, and I do not condone abusive language to people.

Re: Linus and Pull Requests (2012)

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Post by andrewzah »

ben0x539 wrote: post #49
andrewzah wrote: post #41

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I don’t disagree that Linus has gone way overboard when chewing people out. The language in some of his rants is completely inappropriate, and he has since apologized for that. But if someone who 100% knew better did something they shouldn’t have, sometimes getting chewed out is appropriate. “maybe finding another hobby” It’s very easy to sit here in our armchairs and go “yeah he should just abandon his project”. I’m…

We're talking about the point where someone has become jaded enough that they can't help themselves from lashing out at well-intentioned strangers. That's a fairly advanced level of jaded. I definitely consider myself jaded but I probably have a long way to go before I get there. I'm not saying you have to retrain into a different career path, but I think at that point it's not unreasonable to reflect on whether what…

"whether you wouldn't be better off for purely selfish reason if you gave up on project management and idk wrote some scuba software"

It's selfish to assume that because you might be happy doing that, then all people should do that. Maybe he wants to work on Linux? Nobody is forced to contribute to or work on his project.

Re: Linus and Pull Requests (2012)

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Post by andrewzah »

ben0x539 wrote: post #51
andrewzah wrote: post #37

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Imagine reducing the impact of linux/git/etc to merely an operating system.

Don't you think we'd largely have palette-swapped jobs doing basically the same thing on some BSD derivative instead?

Maybe, maybe not. There are infinite hypothetical realities, so I do not find it productive to muse on them.

The reality is such that Linus wrote Linux, people adopted it, and here we are.

Re: Linus and Pull Requests (2012)

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Post by emodendroket »

shakna wrote: post #23
bigyikes wrote: post #14

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Was he level-headed? Talking like that at work might get me fired. It would be better if he just ignored the PR instead of making a scene. Maybe I’m just sensitive

> Was he level-headed? Talking like that at work might get me fired. In my experience, this is very much a cultural thing. The way Linus talks is the usual way that people talk at most of the workplaces I've been at over the years in Australia. However, we're not exactly known as a sensitive people. If something is crap, we call it crap. It isn't generally taken personally. It isn't seen as overly aggressive. If some…

I really don't see how writing "you're a moron" to end a message where you call your interlocutor an example of why you dislike something could be construed as anything other than a personal attack.
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