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Re: Using Apple Silicon (M1) as a cloud engineer, two months in

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

rvz wrote: post #39
smoldesu wrote: post #15

Honestly, I'm starting to understand Louis Rossman's indifference towards these computers. In one of his most recent streams, someone asked him what he thought about the M1 Macs, and he simply responded "it's faster than the last computer Apple made", which summed up a lot of how I feel about it too. I'm saying this as my M1 Macbook Air sits on a shelf collecting dust a few feet away from me, which is definitely not…

> I can't use my OS of choice on it, I can't use my software of choice on it, I can't upgrade or fix anything on it, and I can't trust the swap to not shred the SSD. It is just as locked in like an iPhone. When at least one component of that computer is ruined, as you said it can't be simply swapped out and it time for a trip to the Apple Store if you're using it for the long term. If the SSD in the M1 is dead for so…

> It is just as locked in like an iPhone.

Software-wise, it's a lot less locked-in than an iPhone - there aren't technical measures preventing a user from running an arbitrary OS or programs from non-Apple sources. (There is a temporary gap while people write drivers, but Apple's not stopping them, just not actively helping)

Re: Using Apple Silicon (M1) as a cloud engineer, two months in

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Post by musicale »

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #58
marricks wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple launch M1 for their smallest cheapest computers first, if you want drive multiple screens you are not their target audience. I think it's understandable devs are confused a bit, it's a flashy new thing and we want to try it, but it's not for power users. Another confusing aspect, at least to me, is it's stand out feature is battery life! We're all stuck at home though, so when is a charger more than 4 feet away…

Apple is "Premium" computing products company, and further advertises in the content creation space for artists, etc. Not properly driving monitors is a major fail, if that's true. It also ignores the fact early adopters will be technical and have a "basic" technical need like that. Apple almost always supports the highest-bandwidth ports, precisely to drive large high-resolution monitors. I've been thinking about M1…

As noted above, the M1 Mac mini can drive two monitors, one 4K and one 6K.

Re: Using Apple Silicon (M1) as a cloud engineer, two months in

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Post by whoisburbansky »

musicale wrote: post #66
smoldesu wrote: post #50

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I agree, and they were big mistakes on my behalf. I'm not particularly hostile towards Apple, and I exclusively used iPhones for the first half of the last decade. My assumption was that Apple would have these issues ironed out, especially on a product they were comfortable calling "Pro".

> I can't use my OS of choice on it, I can't use my software of choice on it, I can't upgrade or fix anything on it, and I can't trust the swap to not shred the SSD. If your OS of choice is (Windows/Linux), Apple doesn't have a strong incentive to support it. If your software of choice is x86 Docker, Apple doesn't have a strong incentive to support it. As a company that makes money from hardware sales and prioritizes…

Isn't the SSD on the M1s soldered on, like all the other components? Replacing it would involve replacing the entire motherboard, right, or am I missing something?

Re: Using Apple Silicon (M1) as a cloud engineer, two months in

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Post by marricks »

smoldesu wrote: post #44
marricks wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple launch M1 for their smallest cheapest computers first, if you want drive multiple screens you are not their target audience. I think it's understandable devs are confused a bit, it's a flashy new thing and we want to try it, but it's not for power users. Another confusing aspect, at least to me, is it's stand out feature is battery life! We're all stuck at home though, so when is a charger more than 4 feet away…

I can only hope. It would also be nice to see proper Linux support, but I guess that's wishful thinking from Apple.

Yeah... personally that is what makes me most reticent about M1 and future products.

With intel you know virtual machines and what not will just work, here Apple actually has to provide driver information and such or we’ll all just rely on hacks which could change generation to generation :(

Re: Using Apple Silicon (M1) as a cloud engineer, two months in

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Post by willcipriano »

nerdjon wrote: post #65
dolni wrote: post #13

As an outsider looking in, it's hard to take this post seriously. There are biases evident, the most glaring of which is the proclamation that "all of my software 'just works'" followed by a laundry list of software for which beta versions had to be installed in order to be functional at all (including Docker). It's frankly surprising to me how many hoops people are willing to jump through to use an Apple machine whe…

Since when has Docker on Intel Mac been crappy? The couples times I have tried to run Docker on Windows I have always stopped before I actually managed to get anywhere out of frustration. The experience compared to linux is nearly identical (maybe slightly better thanks too a couple shortcuts in the docker for Mac app that are nice for development). As far as the "laundry list" is concerned... 12 apps were listed. 5…

> Since when has Docker on Intel Mac been crappy? The couples times I have tried to run Docker on Windows I have always stopped before I actually managed to get anywhere out of frustration.

I had the same experience. The installer has been improved, my grandma could set up Docker on Windows now.

Re: Using Apple Silicon (M1) as a cloud engineer, two months in

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Post by aaomidi »

whoisburbansky wrote: post #73
musicale wrote: post #66

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> I can't use my OS of choice on it, I can't use my software of choice on it, I can't upgrade or fix anything on it, and I can't trust the swap to not shred the SSD. If your OS of choice is (Windows/Linux), Apple doesn't have a strong incentive to support it. If your software of choice is x86 Docker, Apple doesn't have a strong incentive to support it. As a company that makes money from hardware sales and prioritizes…

Isn't the SSD on the M1s soldered on, like all the other components? Replacing it would involve replacing the entire motherboard, right, or am I missing something?

They're likely to just give you a new laptop and send you on your way.

Re: Using Apple Silicon (M1) as a cloud engineer, two months in

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Post by silicon2401 »

perardi wrote: post #46
rattray wrote: post #35

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Speaking as another sad owner of a Macbook Air (pre-M1), I do wish Apple made it more clear that they can't drive monitors well, but I agree with your overall sentiment – OP probably would have been much, much happier with a higher-spec'd M1 MBP (though given the price and their OS preference, maybe still not happy enough).

I too agree that the display limitations are non-obvious. I’m not sure if it’s a typical use case to run 2 displays on an Air, but that is a way more obvious set of affairs on a Mac mini, especially for a developer porting/testing software for the new architecture. You can run 2 displays on the Mac mini…but not the same way you used to. https://thesweetsetup.com/running-multiple-monitors-on-an-m1... (That is actually…

Thanks for sharing this, I've been wanting a Mac Mini but am now wondering if it's worth it with this strange caveat

Re: Using Apple Silicon (M1) as a cloud engineer, two months in

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Post by willcipriano »

danaris wrote: post #68
Shivetya wrote: post #36

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I own a M1 Mini, I do no development on PC or Mac. I use tools like editors and such but the work is all done on other boxes. So for me it is a matter of which type of machine covers the bulk of my needs. When it comes to Apple it always has been an issue if you wanted to play games. On intel macs you could VM or Bootcamp to windows. That isn't an option on a M1 mac. Worse, while some iOS games are coming to M series…

Another perspective: Macs can play more games now, natively , than they ever could before. I've been exclusively a Mac user my entire life (except for brief periods where I also had to use Windows for work), and I regularly play over a dozen different games, and own hundreds more, which run just fine on my 2019 MBP. Granted, I don't try to play the latest greatest AAA 6k 240FPS competitive shooters, largely because I…

If you ignore mobile games and games published prior to 2015 or so, that list is pretty pathetic. If your goal is to play those games from 2015 or older you can just buy a $300 pc off Ebay.

Re: Using Apple Silicon (M1) as a cloud engineer, two months in

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Post by danaris »

willcipriano wrote: post #78
danaris wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another perspective: Macs can play more games now, natively , than they ever could before. I've been exclusively a Mac user my entire life (except for brief periods where I also had to use Windows for work), and I regularly play over a dozen different games, and own hundreds more, which run just fine on my 2019 MBP. Granted, I don't try to play the latest greatest AAA 6k 240FPS competitive shooters, largely because I…

If you ignore mobile games and games published prior to 2015 or so, that list is pretty pathetic. If your goal is to play those games from 2015 or older you can just buy a $300 pc off Ebay.

I have no idea where you got the idea that my games are mostly 6+ years old. It's not even slightly true.

Re: Using Apple Silicon (M1) as a cloud engineer, two months in

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Post by astrange »

boringg wrote: post #33
folkrav wrote: post #26

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A decently fast laptop can definitely replace an older desktop computer without issue. When my old gaming rig died in 2017, I bought a laptop for work and plugged it in my monitors. Apart from graphics, the laptop was measurably faster on all accounts.

Fair enough but theres also a 3 year gap on those machines you are comparing.

It's not like Intel's products have gotten any faster in 3 years.
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