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Re: Griddy Is Shutting Down

#71

This fucking sucks. I'm angry. I have a pretty dark outlook when it comes to global warming, but when you're a griddy customer and you're watching your meter constantly, it just made sense . For a brief moment in time, a green future based on renewables felt realistic. For a brief moment in time, I felt like we might actually be able to meet carbon emission goals. When it cost a lot to make electricity, I used less.…

Man, I appreciate you explaining all this in such a plain and emotional terms; you have one green energy convert right now.

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#72
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But how is this bad?

The usual wholesale price of electricity is around $0.11 per kWh. The retail price of electricity is around $0.16 per kWh. So you save about $0.05 per kWh used in an average month -- not bad! That's a free $20! Until a "100 year" storm comes along, and makes the wholesale price of electricity $9 per kWh. Now instead of saving $20, you owe $8,800 more than usual.

I had the service for 2 years. Most months I saved $50-100.

Until this month wiped out my savings the entire time (I was able to jump ship soon enough to "only" rack up $1300 of electric bills with them lol)

Re: Griddy Is Shutting Down

#73
post #3

Not a fan of this. People buying electricity at wholesale prices is on them.

It is, but then people couldn't pay -- and since they couldn't pay, neither can Griddy, since it ran cash-lean and didn't extract enough profit during low rate periods to cover this amount of delinquency. The $2.1B shortfall is being assessed equally among resellers, so Griddy acting like they're some victim instead of just another participant is a bit silly. You don't see Encor complaining about the shortfall makeup…

Griddy is obviously insolvent since its members are, so far with you. But many other providers are also defaulting. Why are they forcing only Griddy to shut down? Conspiracy theory: putting them into bankruptcy with no hope of recovery has a good chance of making all those huge bills you have read about in the press go away.

This strikes to me as a typical American solution to peoples crass financial ignorance: socialize the debts. Here is what happens next:

> If buyers are not able to cover their bills, Ercot will pay the generator and the charges will ultimately be spread out to other market participants, including other generators and traders, as permitted by regulations.

Re: Griddy Is Shutting Down

#74

This fucking sucks. I'm angry. I have a pretty dark outlook when it comes to global warming, but when you're a griddy customer and you're watching your meter constantly, it just made sense . For a brief moment in time, a green future based on renewables felt realistic. For a brief moment in time, I felt like we might actually be able to meet carbon emission goals. When it cost a lot to make electricity, I used less.…

Couldn’t have said it better. This was the same experience I had. Unfortunately a lot of the bad press came from examples of people who signed up and agreed to Griddy’s terms (which were super straightforward) and then acted as if they were on a fixed rate plan.

Griddy was a tiny portion of the market and the focus on them only benefits those who couldn’t keep the grid reliable and profited immensely.

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#75
post #62
post #3

Not a fan of this. People buying electricity at wholesale prices is on them.

This being wholesale doesn't somehow make it not price gouging. Raising prices on a product (electricity) that you were already selling during an emergency is widely considered to be highly immoral, and is illegal almost everywhere, including Texas [1]. There does not appear to be any exception for "wholesale" goods, or b2b transactions, nor should there be morally since that would defeat the whole purpose of keeping…

I believe there is an exception to price gouging laws if the cost of producing the direct item/product/service is impacted. In this case Griddy's cost went way up as well, which makes them not-clearly-in-the-wrong.

For the power producers on the other hand, it seems exceptionally clear (to me anyways) that this was just state-sponsored price gouging: https://theintercept.com/2021/02/23/texas-winter-storm-gas-p...

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#76
post #41

I had no idea what Griddy was, and after glancing at the website, I assumed it was a failed tech startup. I’ve never seen a utility company with such a modern website and design language before.

I can't get the FAQ to dropdown any answers...on Firefox or Chrome. Does yours work?

Re: Griddy Is Shutting Down

#77
So, a thing I've been thinking of is that... because most people are on constant rate plans (where there isn't any incentive to cut back during a supply and/or demand crunch), the overall grid demand is a lot more inelastic than it would be if everyone where on a Griddy-like service.

When, say, 75% of demand is insensitive to price signals, to get the 25% of demand that is sensitive to respond takes a MUCH bigger pricing signal to have the same demand reduction than if 100% of demand was responsive to demand signal.

What's needed is, say, a guarantee of 25-50% of average consumption (or maybe enough for certain essentials) being charged at the base rate while the all the rest for everyone is charged at some multiple of the wholesale rate. But this only would work well if everyone had smart thermostats on their heat, their hot water, their airconditioners, and all other major power consumption sources. Otherwise people would be unaware of this pricing signal until the next month.

Also, maybe it'd be a good idea to have the main thermostat in the house (talking to the meter) show some estimate of the daily energy cost so people don't have to wait a month to find out they're using an insane amount of electricity somewhere.

Pricing signals work great (including for consumers) if supply/demand is elastic. If it's inelastic, it ends up looking like profiteering and passes on huge risks to those often least able to take them.

Re: Griddy Is Shutting Down

#79
post #3

Not a fan of this. People buying electricity at wholesale prices is on them.

The problem here as I understand it is that ERCOT stepped in and artificially set an absurdly high wholesale price, to try to stimulate production. And then Griddy was forced to pass this price straight down to their customers. The narrative about this being a "market failure" seems really wrong. Really seems like it should be on TX to make the customers whole here, given that they ordered Griddy to pass along huge a…

That solution wouldn't really be fair either. All the other electricity providers are going to have to sit down with ERCOT and figure out how to split the $2 billion bill here (https://www.wsj.com/articles/texas-power-market-is-short-2-1...) ; why should Griddy get their share subsidized by the state just because they passed the bill on to consumers? I don't think you're entirely wrong, but it seems like the bottom line is that Griddy's billing model just isn't compatible with the ERCOT market.

Re: Griddy Is Shutting Down

#80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's an interesting point actually. For one, I suspect that ERCOT wouldn't allow a new company with this model access to the grid immediately, at least until this blows over a bit. But regarding "thousands in debts"; I'm curious how that will be handled. It seems that these are debts to Griddy, but Griddy no longer exists, apparently for non-payment, which implies that ERCOT does not expect to be paid. Do these cus…

> Griddy no longer exists Griddy is shutting down. They exist for the moment, the debt they are owed is an asset, and even if they are dissolved their assets will be sold off to pay their creditors, so someone will be owed the money.

The customer debt from this can be sold off, but you might be lucky to get a penny-on-the-dollar for it.
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