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Gruber is repeating the obvious, but in a convoluted way. Apple is about selling HW. Google is about selling ads. That's it. Everything else falls from that. Google's goal is to commodotize HW, and I this is, at least theoretically, doable. Apple can't really commodotize ads, at least in no way I can think of.

And Gruber is about selling Apple. grin

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This is a striking point. Up until now, switching costs off of the iPhone were basically a matter of dealing with AT&T. Once the iCloud tentacles are in deep enough it will be nearly impossible to say goodbye to all the licensed content that I only can access through Apple devices.

How does iCloud make it harder to move away from iOS? All of my apps are already locked into iOS, regardless of iCloud. This is true of any OS though.

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Sure, thinking of good features is the first step. But then isn't the next step figuring out how to make money?

If you have all the features you make the money on the hardware with the features. But describing things as only "lock in" is pretty meaningless as a comment. It implies that all it's doing is increasing switching costs and not actually offering anything to the user. But it would only increase switching costs in the event that it WAS an attractive feature. Features that are not useful or interesting to users aren't g…

Counterexample: Company X using a proprietary file format for their office suite. This is neither useful nor interesting to users, but definitely creates a lock-in.

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Gruber is repeating the obvious, but in a convoluted way. Apple is about selling HW. Google is about selling ads. That's it. Everything else falls from that. Google's goal is to commodotize HW, and I this is, at least theoretically, doable. Apple can't really commodotize ads, at least in no way I can think of.

True but there is one crucial difference: people have to want a) Apple products and b) products advertised by Google. No end user actually wants ads.

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#76

Sometimes I wonder how much Apple is paying this Gruber guy.

You don't have to give the preacher money to evangelize, there is a "greater" motivation involved.

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#77

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I think the argument goes more like: When somebody else starts making better phones, computers, blah blah... You, and many other users will be so far locked in, you won't be able to switch. Remember Microsoft?

> When somebody else starts making better phones, > computers, blah blah... What would be your guess, when will be the time when you can start editing your document on Windows machine at work, tweak some on your tablet at home, and then show to someone on your phone without hitting "save" and "export" at all? Even is Dell starts to make better computers than Apple, HTC—better phones, and HP—better tablets Apple would…

This has been possible for a long time with Google Docs. Saving is not necessary, updates are almost real-time, and it works on all modern platforms.

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#78

    > Google’s frame is the browser window. Apple’s frame is the screen.
No, Apple's frame is Apple's screen. That makes a huge difference.

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#79

Gruber is repeating the obvious, but in a convoluted way. Apple is about selling HW. Google is about selling ads. That's it. Everything else falls from that. Google's goal is to commodotize HW, and I this is, at least theoretically, doable. Apple can't really commodotize ads, at least in no way I can think of.

I think Google is more about collecting data. Ads are just a byproduct.

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#80

having used the Cr48 and a 3g iPad for several months in the US and Japan, I think Apple's vision is more robust, ultimately better for me, the end user. When I'm mobile, whether I'm doing sysadmin, reading, listening to music, I can do more of it, in more locations (especially offline), with better, more reliable apps, on an iPad. edit: reposted here from a comment on the webian group: === I wrote this a few weeks a…

Do you mind posting some pictures of your Cr48?
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