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Launch HN: Weweb.io (YC W21) – Create websites visually using JAMstack tools

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Re: Launch HN: Weweb.io (YC W21) – Create websites visually using JAMstack tools

#71

Who would you consider your top 3 competitors?

Good question. Wordpress is number 1. It is the biggest site builder that has a GUI for marketers and that's open to developers. Only, it is in PHP, so we don't directly compete with them. Webflow, Squarespace and the likes are not direct competitors, but they are site builders that we sometimes compete with for some users. Does that make sense?

Re: Launch HN: Weweb.io (YC W21) – Create websites visually using JAMstack tools

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huh, that's totally off. Stackbit enables visual editing from a Jamstack site built from scratch too. Their visual editor seems like it's better. And you could do a site from scratch, with a theme or even just add it to your existing site. Neat product. But don't see any value add to the ecosystem in it.

To start with Stackbit I believe you need to start with one of their themes and stackbit would be added on top of it. While you can start from a blank page in our tool. In their editor, the customization possibilities are limited in no-code compared to a comprehensive no-code website builder.

Nope. lol Can start from a blank slate, one of their 500+ themes, a starter repo of your own or from your existing website. Stackbit's honestly pretty dope.

And they have a full online code editor in their visual editor. Nothing no-code about it.

It looks to me like you guys are just TinaCMS for Vue instead of React.

Not trying to be a dick. Just trying to share the truth.

TinaCMS import { InlineForm, InlineText } from 'react-tinacms-inline' return ( )

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Re: Launch HN: Weweb.io (YC W21) – Create websites visually using JAMstack tools

#73

This is really cool, congrats on the launch! Is there any way to add authentication currently?

Currently it is not available but that's the next feature on the list! We are thinking about integrating Firebase and https://supabase.io/ to start with. We are also taking a look at the possibility to manage all the users & authentication from Airtable. What would you prefer to use as an authentication service?

Being able to manage users directly from Airtable is intriguing. For me I would like to be able to use it with https://clerk.dev. I wonder if this is currently possible actually since all clerk needs is to be able to wrap a react entry point? What would i actually get if i export a site from WeWeb

Re: Launch HN: Weweb.io (YC W21) – Create websites visually using JAMstack tools

#74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To start with Stackbit I believe you need to start with one of their themes and stackbit would be added on top of it. While you can start from a blank page in our tool. In their editor, the customization possibilities are limited in no-code compared to a comprehensive no-code website builder.

Nope. lol Can start from a blank slate, one of their 500+ themes, a starter repo of your own or from your existing website. Stackbit's honestly pretty dope. And they have a full online code editor in their visual editor. Nothing no-code about it. It looks to me like you guys are just TinaCMS for Vue instead of React. Not trying to be a dick. Just trying to share the truth. TinaCMS import { InlineForm, InlineText } fr…

Agreed, they are building a really great product.

We are (at this stage) still very different though: with weweb, you can build full layouts with various elements and manage the CSS of every single element directly from a GUI in a no-code editor, just like in a Webflow.

In Stackbit's no-code editor, you can change the position of ready-made sections and change some of the props of these sections (text, links, etc.). You cannot however build a section from scratch 100% in no-code like you would do in a Webflow (or weweb) using grids/flexboxes, drag & dropping elements into these containers, updating all the CSS parameters visually, etc. You'd have to do it in the code in Stackbit today.

Same goes with Tina CMS. They do not offer a comprehensive no-code editor like weweb or Webflow and we are very different for that reason.

The cool thing that Tina and Stackbit manage very well (and that we don't), is the ability to add a in-line visual editor in an existing react project to change the content and some of the properties visually, but it is limited to these properties.

What we do on the contrary is offering a comprehensive no-code site builder where marketers would build 90% of a custom website and developers would add custom coded vue components in the drag & drop editor for the extra 10% that cannot be built in no-code (+ make some of the properties of these components editable from the GUI).

Hope this makes sense?

Re: Launch HN: Weweb.io (YC W21) – Create websites visually using JAMstack tools

#75
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I've been whishing for a CMS like that, but i would prefer something selfhosted though. Headless CMSes are not customer friendly at all.

I understand. When you say self-hosted you are talking about the websites generated or the full app?

Well both for that matter, but this is mostly due to my customers being very careful where they host their data, germany is a bit different in that regard i guess.

Still i think that this is totally something that is missing! Maybe CMS Plugins would be nice, could really work well with strapi.

Re: Launch HN: Weweb.io (YC W21) – Create websites visually using JAMstack tools

#76

This is really cool, congrats on the launch! Is there any way to add authentication currently?

Currently it is not available but that's the next feature on the list! We are thinking about integrating Firebase and https://supabase.io/ to start with. We are also taking a look at the possibility to manage all the users & authentication from Airtable. What would you prefer to use as an authentication service?

Hey Raphael, Colin from Clerk here. Alex popped into our Slack and we've been looking into whether an integration is possible.

We haven't found a way to wrap the entire WeWeb application with a component (which is a React context under the hood and informs our other components). Is that possible?

Or, in lieu of that, is there a way to hook Javascript into the rendering lifecycle of a page/component. Behind our React components is just vanilla JS, so if there were a way to control rendering based on window.Clerk.user being null, we'd be off to a good start for simple authenticated pages. (You can play with window.Clerk.user in console on https://accounts.clerk.dev to see how it works)

Would love to collaborate on an integration! You can reach me at colin@clerk.dev

Re: Launch HN: Weweb.io (YC W21) – Create websites visually using JAMstack tools

#77
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I understand. When you say self-hosted you are talking about the websites generated or the full app?

Well both for that matter, but this is mostly due to my customers being very careful where they host their data, germany is a bit different in that regard i guess. Still i think that this is totally something that is missing! Maybe CMS Plugins would be nice, could really work well with strapi.

Well the good news is that we already have the Strapi integration! You can try it right away if you'd like :) As for the hosting, right now people ask us directly and we send them their static files, later people will just have to click a button and configure the deployment microservice to deploy the files wherever they want. We didn't plan to enable using weweb on-premise.

Re: Launch HN: Weweb.io (YC W21) – Create websites visually using JAMstack tools

#78

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Currently it is not available but that's the next feature on the list! We are thinking about integrating Firebase and https://supabase.io/ to start with. We are also taking a look at the possibility to manage all the users & authentication from Airtable. What would you prefer to use as an authentication service?

Hey Raphael, Colin from Clerk here. Alex popped into our Slack and we've been looking into whether an integration is possible. We haven't found a way to wrap the entire WeWeb application with a component (which is a React context under the hood and informs our other components). Is that possible? Or, in lieu of that, is there a way to hook Javascript into the rendering lifecycle of a page/component. Behind our React…

looks like it could be possible :) I just sent you a message so we can discuss it further!

Re: Launch HN: Weweb.io (YC W21) – Create websites visually using JAMstack tools

#79

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Currently it is not available but that's the next feature on the list! We are thinking about integrating Firebase and https://supabase.io/ to start with. We are also taking a look at the possibility to manage all the users & authentication from Airtable. What would you prefer to use as an authentication service?

Being able to manage users directly from Airtable is intriguing. For me I would like to be able to use it with https://clerk.dev . I wonder if this is currently possible actually since all clerk needs is to be able to wrap a react entry point? What would i actually get if i export a site from WeWeb

yes, actually a good portion of the users using Airtable asked for it, but it means that we might develop a back-end dedicated to this. We are exploring it at the moment. I sent a message to Colin to discuss the Clerk integration ;)

Re: Launch HN: Weweb.io (YC W21) – Create websites visually using JAMstack tools

#80
Congrats, weweb.io definitely looks exciting.

For anyone interested, recently I had to research opensource visual page builder/websites options and these were top of the list:

https://github.com/prevwong/craft.js (React)

https://github.com/paperbits/paperbits-core (Full website, uses Firebase)

https://github.com/react-ui-builder/react-ui-builder-editor (React)

https://github.com/premieroctet/openchakra (Editor for Chakra UI)

https://github.com/BuilderIO/builder (Not sure if this really is open source)

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