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The Muppet Show: Disney+ adds content warning of negative depictions of cultures
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Re: The Muppet Show: Disney+ adds content warning of negative depictions of cultures
#72Wouldn’t Disney (and all the other platforms) kill these disclaimer non-stories by giving subscribers the option to opt out of questionable content disclaimers?
It seems like a simple and effective way that would allow one to have their cake and eat it too.
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is where it gets confusing. If Disney puts these preroll notices in front of lots of content, does it mean content without it has been reviewed by Disney and they haven’t found a problem? This used to be crazy for me to think, but this article literally says Disney has hired people to review all content. Makes sense that they would review their recent blockbuster, Mulan, before Muppets episodes from decades ago.…
Your last paragraph gives away the game. There is no content in Mulan to give a warning about. The issue you have is with the Chinese government, not the content of the film Mulan.
(although I would be interested to hear from anyone who thought that simply taking place in China despite being filmed elsewhere/in front of greenscreen, or having Chinese people in the film would also warrant a warning. Would love to see that rated on the above x/1000 scale.)
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is where it gets confusing. If Disney puts these preroll notices in front of lots of content, does it mean content without it has been reviewed by Disney and they haven’t found a problem? This used to be crazy for me to think, but this article literally says Disney has hired people to review all content. Makes sense that they would review their recent blockbuster, Mulan, before Muppets episodes from decades ago.…
Your last paragraph gives away the game. There is no content in Mulan to give a warning about. The issue you have is with the Chinese government, not the content of the film Mulan.
It gets kind of convoluted as to what’s acceptable and what’s not. My comment was addressing another upstream that said something like “ No one said concentration camps in China were fine”
In this situation should Disney put a preroll that says “While we filmed this movie in an area where people are being oppressed and gave financial support to the oppressors, we don’t support concentration camps?”
I’m not sure I understand what reasoning Disney is using to put a preroll before a muppet episode where someone dresses as a gypsy. Or even a generic warning around a specific episode where someone sings in front of a confederate flag in a way that sounds pretty racist.
It seems like Disney has made a decision that one situation requires one and the other doesn’t.
Personally, this is why I don’t pay much attention to these things and don’t draw conclusions based on them. They are so cloudy and subjective, it becomes hard to try to address all the hypotheticals.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
No warning needed. It’s ok to mock them if they’re white.
Germany here. We're fine being mocked for being white, thank you very much. Even my neighbors from Gambia, Spain or Columbia are fine with that as a reminder for our shitty history, to keep the remembering alive to never repeat that shit.
There is no such thing as inherited guilt.
Re: The Muppet Show: Disney+ adds content warning of negative depictions of cultures
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your last paragraph gives away the game. There is no content in Mulan to give a warning about. The issue you have is with the Chinese government, not the content of the film Mulan.
It gets kind of convoluted as to what’s acceptable and what’s not. My comment was addressing another upstream that said something like “ No one said concentration camps in China were fine” In this situation should Disney put a preroll that says “While we filmed this movie in an area where people are being oppressed and gave financial support to the oppressors, we don’t support concentration camps?” I’m not sure I und…
Disney is putting a content warning before content they think might need a warning. There is no content in Mulan that they think needs a warning, so there is no need to put a content warning in. What you're doing is whataboutism, and imo it doesn't sound like any solution would make you happy.
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#77I adored the Muppet Show as a kid. Tried watching it with my daughters this weekend, since it just became available. "Dad, this is weird. This is really weird. It's not even a show! Just weird little scenes!" ["not even a show" = no connective plot] These kids have all kinds of precision-engineered laser-guided entertainment aimed squarely at their cerebral cortex. They don't need the Muppet Show like I did, I guess.
Maybe try the 2015 series where they're making a TV talk show? It was fun and your kids might find it more relatable:
Re: The Muppet Show: Disney+ adds content warning of negative depictions of cultures
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
It gets kind of convoluted as to what’s acceptable and what’s not. My comment was addressing another upstream that said something like “ No one said concentration camps in China were fine” In this situation should Disney put a preroll that says “While we filmed this movie in an area where people are being oppressed and gave financial support to the oppressors, we don’t support concentration camps?” I’m not sure I und…
Disney is putting a content warning before content they think might need a warning. There is no content in Mulan that they think needs a warning, so there is no need to put a content warning in. What you're doing is whataboutism, and imo it doesn't sound like any solution would make you happy.
You think there’s no content that needs a warning, but others may. And that’s kind of the point (people may be hurt remembering civil war and slavery and people may be hurt knowing that the content supported the construction and operation of concentration camps, etc).
I’m not concerned with being happy, I’m just trying to understand the value system that Disney is using to make these notices.
I don’t think it’s potential harm to the viewer, but maybe we’ll never know. One theory was that they were trying to atone for previous harm caused while making stuff (eg, using the confederate flag when they shouldn’t, etc).
I think it is sort of whataboutism, but only because Disney is literally whataboutisming their own content library. Usually I don’t think it applies since it’s not relevant that Y is bad for whether X is bad.
But in this scenario, Disney has stated that they reviewed and updated content. So if Disney reviewed content and didn’t find it preroll worthy, it gives a signal what Disney thinks is relatively bad.
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your last paragraph gives away the game. There is no content in Mulan to give a warning about. The issue you have is with the Chinese government, not the content of the film Mulan.
(although I would be interested to hear from anyone who thought that simply taking place in China despite being filmed elsewhere/in front of greenscreen, or having Chinese people in the film would also warrant a warning. Would love to see that rated on the above x/1000 scale.)
I made the scale purposely farcical, but I wish we could actually solve for this.
I suppose the x/1000 scale would need to objectively measure the harm and suffering caused by a thing and normalize.
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#80The same content warning has been added to 'Aladdin' (the 1992 cartoon, not the Will Smith shameless money grab). I'm wading into shark-filled waters here but could someone please explain the racist bits of Aladdin to me?
Aladdin was obviously not intended to be racist and was probably made by people with good intentions. The same could be said of Uncle Tom’s Cabin and Song of the South. But 1992 was a dramatically more racist and reactionary era than 2021, and the 1992 film really is unacceptably racist to show to children. It is impossible to ignore that Jasmine/Aladdin both have light skin, European faces, and American accents, whe…
> But 1992 was a dramatically more racist and reactionary era than 2021
No, IMO, it wasn't.
It was a dramatically less antiracist era, which isn't the same thing.
(That is, active racism wasn't much more prevalent in 1992, and maybe even less prevalent, but active antiracism—especially in the US concerning targeted groups other than blacks—was much less prevalent.)