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Re: MacBook Pro M1X benchmarks have leaked

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64GB is available on the current-gen 64GB, so not offering it would be a step backwards.

64GB was available on the previous Mac Mini, but they took a step backwards and capped the new one at 16GB, no reason they won't do the same with the MBP.

I suspect they'll release a faster mac mini with the M1x chip. They've got tons of space and an oversized PSU, so it would be easy to do.

Re: MacBook Pro M1X benchmarks have leaked

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Even at double the GPU cores it’ll still get beat by an RDNA2 based Ryzen GPU. The current M1 is about equal to a GTX 1060 performance wise according to benches. Although the Zen3 based RDNA2 APU “Rembrandt” likely won’t be out until 2022 and we’ll have to settle for the Zen2 based Van Gogh in 2021.

A lot of things will probably beat it at performance, but not at lot of them will beat at GTX 1060 as well as Core i5 performance using only 26.5W of power while doing it. The performance of the M1 is remarkable, but the real killer feature is they managed to push that much performance while reducing power consumption.

Is it able to use 26.5W while using both GPU and CPU without degrading performance?

The answer is no. 26.5W is only for the CPU. If you also need to use GPU then it throttles or consumes more.

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As someone that runs Kubernetes on my work laptop, all the "the memory architecture is different, so 8GB is enough" nonsense just doesn't hold up. I need a ton of memory FULL STOP. It sounds just like the nonsense Apple was spewing about MMS messaging on the original iPhone.

> I need a ton of memory FULL STOP. Then buy something else, full stop.

You might be confused. I wasn't asking for purchasing advice. I'm pointing out Apple's history of downplaying something that they have not yet implemented.

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You can't even get above 16GB with the M1. You can with the i9. It took me MONTHS to receive my 16GB M1.

Well, I got mine in 2 days, so...

Ordered mine end of December, got it last Thursday. Glad you had a better experience!

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The other thing is RAM. Apple still has delusions of gimping it's buyers into 16/32GB for "Pro" level machines. I'd probably buy a 16" MBP with this chip if I could get it with socketed 64/128GB. But Apple's going to solder it to the board and charge a premium even if they did.

Rules change. I've got one of the 16GB RAM Macbook Pros. They've got it acting like it's L2 cache instead of RAM as we know it, so the place where you need more than 128G becomes, well, the SSD, your mass storage. These things already don't act as if it's RAM as we're used to considering it. They could probably have shipped the first ones with 4G RAM and had 'em act relatively normal… with heavy stuff like 4K video e…

If I have 20GB of data and 16GB of RAM, it's simply never going to fit and will have to page to disk. That page will always be slower than RAM.

Even if the RAM were as fast as L1 cache, it still wouldn't do a thing for the SSD bottleneck.

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I was surprised how well the 5800X holds up to the new M1 and M1X. Given the boost I felt with my MBA M1, I thought my NUC8i7HVK felt sluggish in comparison and was considering a new PC build - or moving off a "Linux Desktop" to M1X if it was dramatically better than incumbent desktop processors. Seems like I can keep Linux and build a 5800X, and have > 32GB RAM to boot. For those happy with MacOS as a daily drive, t…

To me the core "innovation" in the M series is the reasonable pricing comparing to Intel Macs.

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Release Date? Apple can take a few different paths to this “M1X” release. They can A. Release in Spring. Use the current cpu & node generation tech, and add cores. B. Release in Fall. Use the now old (2020) cpu & old node, and add cores. C. Release in Fall. Use the now new (2021) cpu, new node generation - and add cores. Will be curious to see which path they take. I’d bet Option B. This would be similar to what’s cu…

I'd guess option A.

They aren't doing radical redesigns, so ramping up is easy and fast.

They've pulled an Osborne Effect on their Intel devices by announcing they are transitioning in just a couple years. Nobody wants to buy a brand-new second-class product.

Finally, launching their new laptops this fall means they are half-way through their transition time, but just getting started with their most powerful segment.

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I'd add that they also appear to lack EEC support.

I wonder if the shorter bus won't somehow reduce the error rates.

Errors can be at the cell level of the memory, given the very high density they are now.

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I literally have a previous Mac Mini with maxed-out RAM thanks to OWC and their RAM upgrades. Also one of the new Macbook Pros. From my experience with both, I think you might be very unhappy in retrospect if you bet that more RAM is going to make the most recent Intel one come within shouting distance of even an 8GB M1 Mini. The old one was one of the best for single-core performance within its generation, but they'…

Class action lawsuits?

Because there’s a ceiling on RAM capacity? If that’s your requirement there are many people happy to sell you a device that will satisfy you.

I started computing in the days when you could add your own instructions to your computer. I’m not suing anyone though that capability is no longer available

Re: MacBook Pro M1X benchmarks have leaked

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Intel should be scared of its own failures. Apple is merely a competitor that didn't fall asleep.

Also Apple didn't have to do ~80% of what Intel has to do - you know, the actual building of chip fabs as well as chip design. "merely" LOL.

Intel doesn’t have to build its own fabs. AMD sold its off and is doing fine. Fabless + foundry is an excellent model that lets each side concentrate on its strengths, that works for most companies.

Intel started in an era when you did have to build your own fab. More importantly, even as others were going fabless, Intel continued to use its superiority in manufacturing as an additional advantage over their competition, who had to drop out of the fab business, and against the merchant foundries too.

But now Intel has fallen behind on both sides of the divide. I’m not sure how they will dig out.

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