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Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by wand3r »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #44
sillysaurusx wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure this is a realistic worldview though. This supposes there will be a facebook competitor. As the decades march on, perhaps there will be, but it might not be till we're long gone. There still isn't a competitor to Google, for example. Parler was a competitor to Twitter, and you saw how that played out. The next competitor is going to have to deal with that quandary.

The Facebook competitor is "not using Facebook". I haven't used it for ten years, can't say I miss it.

The thing that brought me back is marketplace. Its super difficult to sell on craigslist you get so much spam and super long feedback loops. As a side hobby I buy, trade and sell Danish and Mid Century Modern furniture and finding a market is hard. So begrudgingly I use facebook and chat. It actually is a terrible product but there is nowhere else to tap into such a big market without paying a premium in purchase percentage.

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by mhh__ »

angio wrote: post #51
asxd wrote: post #48

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The difference is the Myanmar military was killing their own citizens. A country's military firing live rounds on their own citizens with seemingly no remorse is different than a country's military committing violence in foreign countries. I'm certainly not condoning either example of military force presented here, but the duty of the military should ultimately be to preserve their citizens. Killing its own citizens…

Should Facebook then close Police departments pages? They're killing fellow citizens and they're doing that more than any other Police force in the west.

Well, I'm sure at least someone thought about doing that over the summer.

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by boomboomsubban »

harryf wrote: post #65
sep_field wrote: post #38

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Duckduckgo is a competitor to Google. Its based on Yandex and Bing, two other competitors to Google. Noone needs Facebook, it serves no valid purpose for the human race. Same with Twitter. We don't need them, and we don't need competition for them. They should go away with no replacement. Source: was Facebook engineer. Listened to Fuckerberg make one too many all-hands speeches about engagement. Resigned several year…

> Duckduckgo is a competitor to Google. Its based on Yandex and Bing, two other competitors to Google. Interesting. Can you elaborate? Like is DuckDuckGo using some of Yandex’s open source? Or the Bing search API?

This is their writeup on it, I think they get some kind of permission based on serving their ads but I'm not positive.

https://help.duckduckgo.com/results/sources

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by freeburma »

DanBC wrote: post #69
freeburma wrote: post #62

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I don’t feel like arguing with people who don’t really know anything about Burma or her situation. She had no involvement in the military’s decisions in Rakhine state. Yes, she defended the perpetrators at ICJ, either as part of a political strategy of reconciliation with military, or because she just felt like defending them because she secretly likes what happened. You guess which explanation is more likely.

The civilian government is also under investigation. https://www.thenewhumanitarian.org/anaylsis/2019/11/21/Myanm...

Again, the elected civilian government has zero control or decisions or power over the military and border affairs (border affairs, home affairs ministry controlled by military). So when ARSA or AA attack military outposts and police stations, and the Myanmar military chooses to shell villages, kill civilians, and commit war crimes, causing a refugee crisis (or “genocide” as westerners like to throw around) at no point do civilians or the elected government have anything to do with it.

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

turn the tables to consider actual reality: if a country like the US would be at the receiving end of meddling and influence by a Myanmar social media business at the scale of facebook, then any key-employee of the company would have been declared a terrorist, taken to black sites or murdered by drones. That's about the level of hypocrisy that we deal with when discussing Facebook's actions in Myanmar over the past years.

It's horrible injustice Americans not only get away with war crimes and aren't held accountable by the IIC, but also technocrats and buerocrats working for these public companies are able to do so with impunity.

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by Kuinox »

harryf wrote: post #65
sep_field wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Duckduckgo is a competitor to Google. Its based on Yandex and Bing, two other competitors to Google. Noone needs Facebook, it serves no valid purpose for the human race. Same with Twitter. We don't need them, and we don't need competition for them. They should go away with no replacement. Source: was Facebook engineer. Listened to Fuckerberg make one too many all-hands speeches about engagement. Resigned several year…

> Duckduckgo is a competitor to Google. Its based on Yandex and Bing, two other competitors to Google. Interesting. Can you elaborate? Like is DuckDuckGo using some of Yandex’s open source? Or the Bing search API?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo#Overview

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by bko »

sep_field wrote: post #38
sillysaurusx wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure this is a realistic worldview though. This supposes there will be a facebook competitor. As the decades march on, perhaps there will be, but it might not be till we're long gone. There still isn't a competitor to Google, for example. Parler was a competitor to Twitter, and you saw how that played out. The next competitor is going to have to deal with that quandary.

Duckduckgo is a competitor to Google. Its based on Yandex and Bing, two other competitors to Google. Noone needs Facebook, it serves no valid purpose for the human race. Same with Twitter. We don't need them, and we don't need competition for them. They should go away with no replacement. Source: was Facebook engineer. Listened to Fuckerberg make one too many all-hands speeches about engagement. Resigned several year…

> Noone needs Facebook, it serves no valid purpose for the human race

Billions of people find value in facebook and use it daily. Who are you to make that call?

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by Hydraulix989 »

wand3r wrote: post #71
otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Facebook competitor is "not using Facebook". I haven't used it for ten years, can't say I miss it.

The thing that brought me back is marketplace. Its super difficult to sell on craigslist you get so much spam and super long feedback loops. As a side hobby I buy, trade and sell Danish and Mid Century Modern furniture and finding a market is hard. So begrudgingly I use facebook and chat. It actually is a terrible product but there is nowhere else to tap into such a big market without paying a premium in purchase per…

What is particularly bad about it? Did you try Let Go?

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by sep_field »

bko wrote: post #77
sep_field wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Duckduckgo is a competitor to Google. Its based on Yandex and Bing, two other competitors to Google. Noone needs Facebook, it serves no valid purpose for the human race. Same with Twitter. We don't need them, and we don't need competition for them. They should go away with no replacement. Source: was Facebook engineer. Listened to Fuckerberg make one too many all-hands speeches about engagement. Resigned several year…

> Noone needs Facebook, it serves no valid purpose for the human race Billions of people find value in facebook and use it daily. Who are you to make that call?

They'll be able to find value in nonmonopolized and nonalgorithmic versions of the services that Facebook has gobbled up, just like they did before Facebook existed.

I'm not making that call, I'm making a prediction and hoping it comes true, and contributing to a discussion that may possibly, in some small way, contribute to it coming true. If you look around this thread, you'll notice some other people that seem to be aligned to this. I'm not the first to point these things out, and I won't be the last. As a former Facebook employee, I have a responsibility to speak up.

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by nix23 »

freeburma wrote: post #74
DanBC wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The civilian government is also under investigation. https://www.thenewhumanitarian.org/anaylsis/2019/11/21/Myanm...

Again, the elected civilian government has zero control or decisions or power over the military and border affairs (border affairs, home affairs ministry controlled by military). So when ARSA or AA attack military outposts and police stations, and the Myanmar military chooses to shell villages, kill civilians, and commit war crimes, causing a refugee crisis (or “genocide” as westerners like to throw around) at no poi…

Again why then are they investigated, your story sound too easy and one-sided, if you dont have an argument, you just say "we can just speculate."

Fact is:

-Aung San Suu Kyi defended actively a genocide for not being one, while speaking in The Hague.

-The civilian government was informed and partially included in the genocide.

Both points are fact, and NOT speculations.

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