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Re: WHO scientists: NYT misquoted us to fit a prescribed narrative

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Post by robin21 »

headShrinker wrote: post #35
themgt wrote: post #7

It's worth noting the original tweet is from Peter Daszak, who has been president of EcoHealth Alliance which has for 15 years worked with the Wuhan Institute of Virology studying bat coronaviruses[1][2][3]. He's been on record many times at least since February 2020 saying the ideas of lab break were "crackpot theories that need to be addressed" else they might harm our cooperation with China.[4] At the very least t…

Not surprised you are getting immediately down voted. My post is as well. There seems to be bias HN users as well, no amount of facts or historical reference is enough to correct it.

Probably because it would mean having to side with Trump on something.

Re: WHO scientists: NYT misquoted us to fit a prescribed narrative

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Post by robin21 »

1_player wrote: post #24
covidthrow wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was (and is), but you're not going to find many that agree on here. (Even in the comment section of a supporting data point.) People who dislike Trump (the majority of HN readers) are strongly biased to react negatively at the very mention of his name. Ironically, a not-insignificant contributing reason for this is... corrupt and biased news media. I'll patiently await my tribal downvotes, now...

There is fake news, and Fake News, the propaganda term used by Mr Trump as a weapon against anybody who used to disagree with him. I agree that honest journalism these days is a lost art, but I do not care to be associated with far right American propaganda, thanks.

So basically you don’t want to appear in support of anything Trump said...if you read back what you wrote you will realize the mental gymnastics you are doing because you are not free to speak your mind because of today’s political discourse climate and cancel culture.

Re: WHO scientists: NYT misquoted us to fit a prescribed narrative

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Post by MilnerRoute »

themgt wrote: post #7

It's worth noting the original tweet is from Peter Daszak, who has been president of EcoHealth Alliance which has for 15 years worked with the Wuhan Institute of Virology studying bat coronaviruses[1][2][3]. He's been on record many times at least since February 2020 saying the ideas of lab break were "crackpot theories that need to be addressed" else they might harm our cooperation with China.[4] At the very least t…

I think it would probably be worthwhile for the WHO to send over as their investigator the president of the microbial threats forum from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine -- the collective scientific national academy of the United States of America.

Fortunately, they did. His name is Peter Daszak.

https://twitter.com/PeterDaszak/

Re: WHO scientists: NYT misquoted us to fit a prescribed narrative

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Post by dqv »

robin21 wrote: post #69
dqv wrote: post #59

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Really we need a venn diagram with like 10 different circles to describe the distinction between what is meant by liberal and what is meant by left here. Liberal, in this case, when contrasted against the left usually describes the politics of the neoliberal and neoconservative (and often a mixture of the two) wing of the Democrat Party. In other words, liberals are considered a sort of right wing - pro-market/pro-ca…

What would you say are the three biggest policy differences between right and left or democrat and republicans?

Policy differences are kind of hard to track and it gets abstract. Are we talking about the superficial policy differences (i.e. the ones we see in CSPAN performances) or those that represent the the interests of the corporate backers of each party? Sometimes the performative stuff aligns with the backers’ interests (e.g. democrats and immigration).

At the end of the day I’m mostly checked out from US politics. There is how I think things ought to be and reality. Reconciling the two will probably take many more years of reflection.

Mostly my interest in politics at this point is the internecine conflicts that arise in the various subcultures of political thought online.

Re: WHO scientists: NYT misquoted us to fit a prescribed narrative

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Post by MilnerRoute »

themgt wrote: post #7

It's worth noting the original tweet is from Peter Daszak, who has been president of EcoHealth Alliance which has for 15 years worked with the Wuhan Institute of Virology studying bat coronaviruses[1][2][3]. He's been on record many times at least since February 2020 saying the ideas of lab break were "crackpot theories that need to be addressed" else they might harm our cooperation with China.[4] At the very least t…

"In an interview after his return to New York, Daszak said that the visit had provided some new clues, which ALL of the scientists, Chinese and international, agreed most likely pointed to an animal origin within China or Southeast Asia. The scientists have largely discounted claims that the virus originated in a lab, saying that possibility was so unlikely that it was not worth further investigation."

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/14/health/WHO-covid-daszak-c...

Re: WHO scientists: NYT misquoted us to fit a prescribed narrative

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Post by refurb »

ahepp wrote: post #64
refurb wrote: post #53

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I get your point but this one article of many written by Glenn on the topic of crappy journalism and a lack of accountability, even among the reporters at the NYTimes. This article is about a social media post, by a journalist at the NYTimes, accusing a highly visible person of using a slur that never actually happened . And once corrected, this reporter basically hides and asks why everyone is attacking her. He’s us…

Maybe I'm way off here, but it looks like you may think the person you're replying to is saying that Greenwald's article is "a kind of low effort data mining when there is news droughts" (etc) I believe they are agreeing with Greenwald, and saying that the Times reporter is the one in the wrong. Or this is just a vexing parse for me

No, you are correct! I completely misread that.

Re: WHO scientists: NYT misquoted us to fit a prescribed narrative

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Post by robin21 »

dqv wrote: post #74
robin21 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would you say are the three biggest policy differences between right and left or democrat and republicans?

Policy differences are kind of hard to track and it gets abstract. Are we talking about the superficial policy differences ( i.e. the ones we see in CSPAN performances) or those that represent the the interests of the corporate backers of each party? Sometimes the performative stuff aligns with the backers’ interests ( e.g. democrats and immigration). At the end of the day I’m mostly checked out from US politics. The…

I ask because I can’t remember the last time I heard of a policy disagreement debating the merits of two approaches to the same problem. Both sides don’t even see the same problems.

Will be interesting to see what policies Biden goes for I guess.

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