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Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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Option one sounds great theoretically. Which counties have successfully implemented those policies?

China and Vietnam. Taiwan to a lesser extent.

And Taiwan is an island and is there by much easier to secure. New Zealand's model achieved similar outcomes.

Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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The FDA's continual foot dragging on approving AstraZeneca is criminal. The UK has already thoroughly reviewed it and decided it was safe for approval. Is there any reason to believe that British scientists are any less competent than their American counterparts? If the trials were successful in the UK, it's a complete waste of time to insist that they be duplicated in the US. Especially when thousands die every day.…

The FDA's continual foot dragging on approving Thalidomide is criminal. West Germany has already thoroughly reviewed it and decided it was safe for approval. Is there any reason to believe that German scientists are any less competent than their American counterparts? Frances Kelsey is just another example of bureaucrats flexing their power to aggrandize their own importance.

Covid kills more people every day than the entire number of birth defects caused by thalidomide in its entire history. Maybe it's time to start living in the here and now, instead of worrying about a minor incident from more than half a century ago. It's easy to count type I errors, now actually make an effort to quantify that against the countless number of type II errors.

I'm willing to bet you any amount up to $10,000 that AstraZeneca vaccine does not result in more than ten thousand deaths worldwide within the next two years. You clearly believe otherwise, since you think it's prudent for the FDA not to approve it. If you're not willing to risk your money, why are you willing to risk people's lives? Do you accept?

Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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The FDA's continual foot dragging on approving AstraZeneca is criminal. The UK has already thoroughly reviewed it and decided it was safe for approval. Is there any reason to believe that British scientists are any less competent than their American counterparts? If the trials were successful in the UK, it's a complete waste of time to insist that they be duplicated in the US. Especially when thousands die every day.…

Here is a good article that explains how drug approval is different in the US from Europe/UK [1]. Basically, the FDA has a reputation for being more thorough and for not taking the drug companies at their word and instead looking at the raw data from their trials. IDK if that is the best approach for approving the AstraZeneca vaccine but as this article explains, the FDAs approach did prevent thalidomide from being u…

Thalidomide occurred more than fifty years ago. Do you think it's maybe possible that medical science has advanced a little bit since then?

Also the total number of birth defects that thalidomide ever caused over its entire lifecycle, is less than the number of Covid deaths per day. Relative to the number of lives that hang in the balance, thalidomide is a rounding error, and shouldn't be considered.

On net, there's absolutely zero evidence that European drug approval is dangerous vis-a-vis the US. European healthcare systems produce much better outcomes than the US. And they have for decades.

Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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I don’t understand why there isn’t a simple system where you register your interest in vaccine, age, medical conditions and leave your contact info to be called in when your shot is ready.

I know my county has a "communicate your interest" form, but nothing in the surrounding language has me convinced that it doesn't just forward to /dev/null.

Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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First the communist countries deployed extremely autocratic measures that wouldn't befit free societies. Second, their numbers are far more likely lies than the US ones. These countries are extremely adamant about their public image. That's why they sent police to a doctor's home in Wuhan instead of taking the problem seriously and maybe, you know, stopping international movement to that city.

This zombie they're lying about their numbers! cope needs to die. Look at Taiwan. Look at Korea. Both of them handled the virus fairly well, with much less extreme measures, and have good relations with the US so you have no reason to doubt their numbers.

Both Taiwan and South Korea's values are in direct contrast with what we call Western Values. Violating the right to privacy is one of them. South Korea's spying on its citizens is second only to China.

Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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Unfortunately option one is the fantasy solution that doesn’t actually work. It has been tried. It doesn’t work.

Option one is China's & Vietnam's strategy for combating the virus, which has been extremely effective. Parts of it were also implemented in nearby non-communist countries such as Taiwan.

Why is advocating for violation of human rights not a bannable offense?

Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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You mean two countries with the some of the worst human rights records, China is literally committing genocide as we speak, used the power to imprison to beat back a virus. Seems like a hammer looking for a nail or a broken clock is right twice a day type situation.

Okay, then take that lesson from them. This isn't a referendum on their entire system of government. It's a demonstration of how much we have failed by comparison. "Power to imprison" has nothing to do with it, or the US would be crushing it.

This is disgusting.You literally advocate for governments to strip people of their human rights.

Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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I don’t understand why there isn’t a simple system where you register your interest in vaccine, age, medical conditions and leave your contact info to be called in when your shot is ready.

There seems to be one of those per county. And no one seems to have gotten contacted as a result of registering via those sites. Everyone I know who has gotten vaccinated has done it either through their employer or as a result of bombarding the grocery store/pharmacy websites.

And the state of Maryland opened their first "mass vaccination site" yesterday ... along with, you guessed it, their very own website for folks to sign up to express their interest in a vaccine.

Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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Option one is China's & Vietnam's strategy for combating the virus, which has been extremely effective. Parts of it were also implemented in nearby non-communist countries such as Taiwan.

Why is advocating for violation of human rights not a bannable offense?

Please explain how quarantine violates human rights, I would love to hear this.

Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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My point is the entire process is over-bureaucratized. If you want to prioritize anyone, with COVID specifically you come to two conclusions about who you might want to prioritize first: the very old and any employee involved in front-line healthcare work. For the former, there’s a Federally administered healthcare system specifically for anyone 65+. For the latter: they work within, are affiliated with, or have rela…

I understand your point, but the strategy you're describing is exactly what the author is frustrated by. Maryland doesn't have "stupid rules about who is allowed to get an appointment", and all doses which become available are quickly claimed - as a consequence, if she wants to claim a dose for her parents, she has to run around at odd hours checking with everyone who might have new availability. Until we have enough…

As a Maryland resident, I certainly feel we have "stupid rules about who is allowed to get an appointment" at a statewide level AND we've got a bunch of providers interpreting those stupid rules in inconsistent and arbitrary ways.

My doctor's office has apparently received some vaccines but are only vaccinating people in Group 1A because they feel that's the most important. But the governor claims we've moved into Group 1C, and if I can snag an appointment with a different provider, I might be in luck.

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