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Re: Nextdoor is replacing the small-town paper

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Post by [deleted] »

cccc4all wrote: post #65
drdeadringer wrote: post #62

I don't remember local or small-town papers to [generally] being toxic or cesspools of hate. However, one of my True Jokes is "NextDoor: Hate Your Neighbors" just as "Facebook: Hate Your Family & Friends" and "Twitter: Hate Your Heroes". NextDoor sounds good, but it generally proves not. Everything from "suspicious teenagers on the sidewalk again" [meaning: local kids walking to their local home from the local school…

This sounds very judgmental about NextDoor users. They are voicing their concerns about their neighborhood and community. Why do you have to say anything about their community, especially if you don't live there? You also have the right to voice concerns about your neighborhood and community. I would assume you want others to respect your right to voice your concerns, just as they would expect you to respect their ri…

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Re: Nextdoor is replacing the small-town paper

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Post by jedberg »

goles wrote: post #60
jedberg wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The platform is fine. Like any social media, it amplifies existing biases that the population it serves already has. But the specific issue with Next-door is that by design it serves a very limited population, so if that small population has any sort of bias, it is massively amplified.

Ok so what is your solution to this problem?

Nextdoor needs to do a better job of monitoring their moderators.

Re: Nextdoor is replacing the small-town paper

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Post by ALittleLight »

The problem seems to be that the writers and editors are all volunteers and that will necessarily mean a great variation in quality on both jobs. On top of this, their comment system seems stuck in "sort by controversial".

There is a lot of work that needs to be done - moderating, getting good data, presenting information well. That doesn't jibe with people doing it for free. At least on YouTube or Instagram you could personally strike it rich off being a successful enough contributor.

Is there a way to get good users paid from this? Can you tip moderators? Would people? Maybe, as the newspapers used to do, a subscription fee could be added once a certain growth point was reached. X dollars a month per user, some percentage goes to mods, some percentage goes to people whose comments you liked, some percentage goes to keeping the servers running.

Re: Nextdoor is replacing the small-town paper

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Post by 3np »

p1necone wrote: post #54
jacob2484 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- I oppose growing education bureaucracy where little of the increase in education funding goes to teacher salary, and instead to rent-seeking bureaucrats that waste tax-payer money - Public schools have failed kids in the US due to overly powerful teachers unions who protect terrible teacher and do injustice to students prospects. I'd rather pay for charter schools, not some general state education budget.

You're simultaneously claiming that not enough money goes to teachers salaries and that the teachers unions are too powerful. I'm not really sure I follow.

It’s not weird to me. GP is arguing that the teachers unions don’t yield (sufficient) positive outcome and using their powers the wrong way, being part of the inefficient potentially corrupt bureaucracy.

Whether that’s the case over there, I have no idea. But it’s not inconsistent.

In my hometown I don’t recall a single person beating against the teacher’s union. Sure on particular issues there would be occasional tension, especially with negotiations with private schools, but no one argued for their abolition.

Re: Nextdoor is replacing the small-town paper

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Post by bawolff »

cccc4all wrote: post #65
drdeadringer wrote: post #62

I don't remember local or small-town papers to [generally] being toxic or cesspools of hate. However, one of my True Jokes is "NextDoor: Hate Your Neighbors" just as "Facebook: Hate Your Family & Friends" and "Twitter: Hate Your Heroes". NextDoor sounds good, but it generally proves not. Everything from "suspicious teenagers on the sidewalk again" [meaning: local kids walking to their local home from the local school…

This sounds very judgmental about NextDoor users. They are voicing their concerns about their neighborhood and community. Why do you have to say anything about their community, especially if you don't live there? You also have the right to voice concerns about your neighborhood and community. I would assume you want others to respect your right to voice your concerns, just as they would expect you to respect their ri…

Because idle gossip is toxic?

If the concern is something criminal, by all means voice it to the police. If the concern is with the maintenance of your building voice it to your landlord.

If your concern is you dont like the style of clothes your neighbour wears, please go back to high school.

Re: Nextdoor is replacing the small-town paper

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Post by Rapzid »

ravenstine wrote: post #57

For me, Nextdoor is primarily people looking for lost pets, complaining about "suspicious" strangers, and making dubious crime reports. That's hardly a replacement for a local newspaper.

In my city for a while there it was 3-4x as many people reporting *found* pets compared to lost pets; "Dang people, stop discarding your pets."

Probably the hot topic these days is lawn/porch theft.

Re: Nextdoor is replacing the small-town paper

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Post by goles »

jedberg wrote: post #72
goles wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok so what is your solution to this problem?

Nextdoor needs to do a better job of monitoring their moderators.

Okay so if Nextdoor serves content to local communities which have cultural norms varying from the bay area to so called fly over states how should they monitor their moderators?

If this is such an issue for you please describe how you think a platform which you describe as "fine." should moderate posts across a country as diverse as the US?

Re: Nextdoor is replacing the small-town paper

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Post by drdeadringer »

cccc4all wrote: post #65
drdeadringer wrote: post #62

I don't remember local or small-town papers to [generally] being toxic or cesspools of hate. However, one of my True Jokes is "NextDoor: Hate Your Neighbors" just as "Facebook: Hate Your Family & Friends" and "Twitter: Hate Your Heroes". NextDoor sounds good, but it generally proves not. Everything from "suspicious teenagers on the sidewalk again" [meaning: local kids walking to their local home from the local school…

This sounds very judgmental about NextDoor users. They are voicing their concerns about their neighborhood and community. Why do you have to say anything about their community, especially if you don't live there? You also have the right to voice concerns about your neighborhood and community. I would assume you want others to respect your right to voice your concerns, just as they would expect you to respect their ri…

> especially if you don't live there

I do live in the neighborhood NextDoor area where I speak of, and my experience is not uncommon. I have seen the online NextDoor and have in-person physically walked the lived reality as well.

"In Other News", where I live has an outdated reputation. That outdated reputation lives on despite reality and my personal efforts to tell and demonstrate otherwise. Folks on NextDoor tend to be those of long life and//or long memory. Psychohistorical math [albeit perhaps Asimov-in-Reverse a bit here] comes in to play.

Over the long run, the folks who really want to be listened to -- and have a legit and right to that -- have clocks in their perspectives to adjust. Their voice needs similar.

Re: Nextdoor is replacing the small-town paper

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Post by spoonjim »

cccc4all wrote: post #65
drdeadringer wrote: post #62

I don't remember local or small-town papers to [generally] being toxic or cesspools of hate. However, one of my True Jokes is "NextDoor: Hate Your Neighbors" just as "Facebook: Hate Your Family & Friends" and "Twitter: Hate Your Heroes". NextDoor sounds good, but it generally proves not. Everything from "suspicious teenagers on the sidewalk again" [meaning: local kids walking to their local home from the local school…

This sounds very judgmental about NextDoor users. They are voicing their concerns about their neighborhood and community. Why do you have to say anything about their community, especially if you don't live there? You also have the right to voice concerns about your neighborhood and community. I would assume you want others to respect your right to voice your concerns, just as they would expect you to respect their ri…

I live in a suburban area where you cannot get a house under $2 million. It is extraordinarily safe. Yet if you read the NextDoor it seems like 1970s New York, with crime and danger around every corner.

Eyeball-oriented media always algorithmically boosts sensational news, which simply doesn’t reflect reality.

Traditional print media, which would be owned by an independently wealthy elitist family, didn’t need those AdSense revenues and would instead lead with articles about the local school play and flower festival, and keep the crime in a police blotter, which does reflect the experience of living here.

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