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Re: Linux 3.0-rc1 is here

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Post by derleth »

kia wrote: post #31
riobard wrote: post #7

For those wondering what's new: “So what are the big changes? NOTHING. Absolutely nothing. Sure, we have the usual two thirds driver changes, and a lot of random fixes, but the point is that 3.0 is just about renumbering, we are very much not doing a KDE-4 or a Gnome-3 here. No breakage, no special scary new features, nothing at all like that. We've been doing time-based releases for many years now, this is in no way…

It would break many of the programs which rely on 2.6.x naming scheme. Linus always was on the side of not breaking things if they do work. It seems that he changed his views for this particular case.

Ultimately, you get the worst you're willing to put up with. When the Windows dev team bends over backwards to keep buggy applications working, they signal that those bugs are acceptable and turn them into the accepted way to develop Windows application software.

When Torvalds bumps the major version number with little warning, he signals that anything which depends on it always being '2.x.x' or, worse, '2.6.x', is not acceptable and will not be tolerated.

I've lived in both worlds. I prefer Linux. I'm not alone.

Re: Linux 3.0-rc1 is here

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Post by forensic »

tzury wrote: post #51

Despite all criticism and cynicism all over the Linux communities about the numbering and all that stuff, for me, every release of the Kernel (as well as any other major / dominant open source platform / project) is a reason for celebration. It simply means, openness and freedom won the software/internet game. The fact there are people out there, spend the best of their times, contributing code and manuals docs, debu…

> It simply means, openness and freedom won the software/internet game.

Except... it didn't. The far majority of programmers still write closed source non-free code. The far majority of software is still closed source and non-free. The far majority of humans browse non-free websites on non-free web browsers running on non-free operating systems.

Re: Linux 3.0-rc1 is here

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Post by vacri »

tybris wrote: post #44

-VERSION = 2 -PATCHLEVEL = 6 -SUBLEVEL = 39 -EXTRAVERSION = -NAME = Flesh-Eating Bats with Fangs +VERSION = 3 +PATCHLEVEL = 0 +SUBLEVEL = 0 +EXTRAVERSION = -rc1 +NAME = Sneaky Weasel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names

Some interesting version names in there. I find 2.6.22-rc3 particularly intruiging...

Re: Linux 3.0-rc1 is here

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Post by arecibodrake »

forensic wrote: post #72
tzury wrote: post #51

Despite all criticism and cynicism all over the Linux communities about the numbering and all that stuff, for me, every release of the Kernel (as well as any other major / dominant open source platform / project) is a reason for celebration. It simply means, openness and freedom won the software/internet game. The fact there are people out there, spend the best of their times, contributing code and manuals docs, debu…

> It simply means, openness and freedom won the software/internet game. Except... it didn't. The far majority of programmers still write closed source non-free code. The far majority of software is still closed source and non-free. The far majority of humans browse non-free websites on non-free web browsers running on non-free operating systems.

Oh, I don't think he was saying that wasn't the case. I believe what he meant (perhaps I am projecting here) that because it continues to exist, and exist successfully, the idea of free software wins.

The mere continued existence of free software/open source validates the ideology behind it.

As a libertarian/dyed in the wool capitalist, I love the success myself.

Re: Linux 3.0-rc1 is here

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Post by tzury »

forensic wrote: post #72
tzury wrote: post #51

Despite all criticism and cynicism all over the Linux communities about the numbering and all that stuff, for me, every release of the Kernel (as well as any other major / dominant open source platform / project) is a reason for celebration. It simply means, openness and freedom won the software/internet game. The fact there are people out there, spend the best of their times, contributing code and manuals docs, debu…

> It simply means, openness and freedom won the software/internet game. Except... it didn't. The far majority of programmers still write closed source non-free code. The far majority of software is still closed source and non-free. The far majority of humans browse non-free websites on non-free web browsers running on non-free operating systems.

Friend, I am afraid you have missed my point. What I meant was that open source have change the software world. Nothing is the same anymore, and in my opinion, the "cloud-revolution" we are observing today has a lot to do with open/free software.

It might be true that most browsers are closed source running on top of closed source operating systems, but that is just one half of the picture. the other half tells a story of most web traffic, especially on most popular ones, is generated by open platform.

Vast majority of programmers are writing closed source. yet they do not affect the market as those who write open source.

Re: Linux 3.0-rc1 is here

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Post by forensic »

tzury wrote: post #75
forensic wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It simply means, openness and freedom won the software/internet game. Except... it didn't. The far majority of programmers still write closed source non-free code. The far majority of software is still closed source and non-free. The far majority of humans browse non-free websites on non-free web browsers running on non-free operating systems.

Friend, I am afraid you have missed my point. What I meant was that open source have change the software world. Nothing is the same anymore, and in my opinion, the "cloud-revolution" we are observing today has a lot to do with open/free software. It might be true that most browsers are closed source running on top of closed source operating systems, but that is just one half of the picture. the other half tells a sto…

The EFF disagrees with you about the cloud. They believe the cloud is a serious loss of freedom, partially because cloud-code is hidden (even modified GPL code) and partially because people are giving away their privacy.

The cloud has been great for the business of writing software, but not because it is more free or open.

Re: Linux 3.0-rc1 is here

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Post by forensic »

arecibodrake wrote: post #74
forensic wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It simply means, openness and freedom won the software/internet game. Except... it didn't. The far majority of programmers still write closed source non-free code. The far majority of software is still closed source and non-free. The far majority of humans browse non-free websites on non-free web browsers running on non-free operating systems.

Oh, I don't think he was saying that wasn't the case. I believe what he meant (perhaps I am projecting here) that because it continues to exist, and exist successfully, the idea of free software wins. The mere continued existence of free software/open source validates the ideology behind it. As a libertarian/dyed in the wool capitalist, I love the success myself.

I don't see how existence equates to winning. A winner implies a loser.

I doubt RMS considers the status quo a success. The free software movement that I know had a much loftier concept of "win" than mere existence.

Re: Linux 3.0-rc1 is here

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Post by augustl »

vicaya wrote: post #52
augustl wrote: post #38

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Unfortunately, http://example.gitalist.com/ doesn't load any content whatsoever in my browser (Google Chrome with JavaScript disabled/whitelisted). Just a white page. And I have a hunch browsing with JavaScript off is more common for kernel devs than, say, GitHub users.

Well, Chrome must be broken then, as it's a validated HTML 5 page. It works with FF with noscript (with the domain blocked). Frankly, I have a hunch that people who care about javascript security don't use Chrome. No chrome until noscript.

I didn't disable JavaScript for security reasons, but for faster web pages on my slow EEE laptop.

Re: Linux 3.0-rc1 is here

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Post by j2d2j2d2 »

edu wrote: post #63
j2d2j2d2 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It shouldn't. Open source version numbers greater than 1.0 dont mean a whole lot. Chrome, the browser, around version 8 (give or take). How much sense does that make?

8? I'm running Chrome 11!

You are correct. I am on 11.0.696.71.

I was wrong when I said 8.

Re: Linux 3.0-rc1 is here

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Post by arecibodrake »

forensic wrote: post #77
arecibodrake wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, I don't think he was saying that wasn't the case. I believe what he meant (perhaps I am projecting here) that because it continues to exist, and exist successfully, the idea of free software wins. The mere continued existence of free software/open source validates the ideology behind it. As a libertarian/dyed in the wool capitalist, I love the success myself.

I don't see how existence equates to winning . A winner implies a loser. I doubt RMS considers the status quo a success. The free software movement that I know had a much loftier concept of "win" than mere existence.

I doubt any of us could accurately predict, understand, fully appreciate that which is RMS The Great.

I mean, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S76pHIYx3ik.

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