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Re: More than 100M Americans have diabetes or prediabetes (2017)

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Post by monopoledance » Thu, Jan 28, 2021, 5:00 PM UTC

hirundo wrote: post #27

cgb223 wrote: post #22

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Tell us some of the insights you got about different exercises and food on your body

Exercise tends to reduce my baseline glucose, but on the next day. I do best on a very low carb diet, getting most of my energy from fat. It's obvious to me that not everyone is like this. That's why a CGM helps so much. There is no good one-size-fits-all advice, but the CGM lets you develop a bespoke profile.

Just out of curiosity, since it's the other end of the diet extremism: Have you tried an all complex carbs (so no sugar, no broken free carbs), low fat diet?

Are you concerned about other health parameters with your low carb diet? Like high IGF-1 or blood vessel and digestive health?

Re: More than 100M Americans have diabetes or prediabetes (2017)

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Post by monopoledance » Thu, Jan 28, 2021, 5:14 PM UTC

rubicon33 wrote: post #45

fouc wrote: post #42

"Prediabetes" is a nice euphemism for being fat that helpfully reminds people directly of the danger of being overweight. You can improve your health/diabetic markers by experimenting with any or all of the following things: 1) Intermittent fasting: reduce your daily period of eating to a 6 or 8 hour window. 16/8 or 18/6. The number of hours without food or sugar or cream or diet pop versus the window of hours that y…

And what about if you're naturally skinny, despite eating whatever you want, whenever you want? Is it all about being fat?

No, "skinny fat" is actually detrimental, as your body doesn't handle excess energy well. Your body then stores fat in-between your organs as visceral fat, which is the "I don't know where to put this" kind of panic. The visceral fat is what's really indication of health problems (the "fat fat" people get it too ofc), where subcutaneous fat isn't as unhealthy.

Fructose intake (making up at least half the sugars in most sugar sweeteners) isn't metabolized like glucose, with a delicate and specialized load response and processing. It's metabolized like alcohol in the liver and then directly converted to fat, then shoved into the blood stream. Fructose is the reason why you increasingly see non-alcoholics with "alcoholic" fatty liver.

Now, when you eat an apple, the fructose content doesn't hurt you (unless your digestive system gets issues with it), because it's processed slowly, has to be broken out of the fiber matrix and is partially broken down by bacteria. However, blending the same apple, the fructose will overload your system all the same as drinking fructose water. Btw. many "healthy sugars" actually have a worse fru:glu ratio than table sugar, e.g. agave syrup or honey.

Re: More than 100M Americans have diabetes or prediabetes (2017)

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Post by hirundo » Thu, Jan 28, 2021, 5:58 PM UTC

monopoledance wrote: post #71

hirundo wrote: post #27

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Exercise tends to reduce my baseline glucose, but on the next day. I do best on a very low carb diet, getting most of my energy from fat. It's obvious to me that not everyone is like this. That's why a CGM helps so much. There is no good one-size-fits-all advice, but the CGM lets you develop a bespoke profile.

Just out of curiosity, since it's the other end of the diet extremism: Have you tried an all complex carbs (so no sugar, no broken free carbs), low fat diet? Are you concerned about other health parameters with your low carb diet? Like high IGF-1 or blood vessel and digestive health?

Yes, I was deeply into the McDougall Program, even went to the week long training. I lost a bunch of weight on it. Then it seems that my body adapted and without changing the ingredients, my appetite returned, and so did the weight.

Something similar happened to me with a low carb paleo diet years later. I've had to become more extreme to succeed. But I think that's because of the damage I've done to my own metabolism with a fork and spoon, and isn't true for most people.

Most people, I think, would benefit greatly from changing to a complex carb diet from a Standard American Diet.

Re: More than 100M Americans have diabetes or prediabetes (2017)

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Post by 01100011 » Thu, Jan 28, 2021, 7:11 PM UTC

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #68

01100011 wrote: post #61

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I feel like there is a weird viral component to this but I'm not sold on that theory. A lot of my problems(apnea, brain fog, worsening attention span) happened when I got divorced. I try to avoid jumping to an unsubstantiated and fringe interpretation, but I do wonder if this is all neuroinflammation from HPV or something. Up until my divorce I had 2 partners. Then again, the stress of the divorce didn't help.

After research indicated that stress can alter DNA on the fly, I became more inclined to consider physio/enviro factors together, instead of allowing one to exclude the other.

Yeah, it's possible that the extreme stress I was under activated a HERV(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1187282/#:~:tex....) and caused a lasting autoimmune issue.

Re: More than 100M Americans have diabetes or prediabetes (2017)

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Post by jjeaff » Thu, Jan 28, 2021, 7:32 PM UTC

bem94 wrote: post #70

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T1 is "moral diabetes". I'm not sure there is a trend to be seen unless it has to do with the environment surrounding the pregnancy.

What does "moral diabetes" mean?

I think probably "moral" in the sense that it's not considered your fault to have type 1 diabetes. Type 2 is brought on by poor diet and exercise so it is the "immoral" version.

Though I think the science on what drives hunger cravings and "willpower" and fat storage this leading to obesity is still in its infancy.