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Amanda Gorman's “The Hill We Climb” (Full Text)

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Re: Amanda Gorman's “The Hill We Climb” (Full Text)

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Look, no offence, but this is a terrible poem. It's verbose: > We, the successors of a country and a time where a skinny Black girl descended from slaves and raised by a single mother can dream of becoming president, only to find herself reciting for one. It doesn't make sense. (You can't be the successor of a country, you even more can't be the successor of the present instant happening right now.) It's content-free…

I'm with you. I saw the delivery, and at the time thought it so much easy bromide, soporific treacle. It's even worse now seeing the words on a page. I have an innate distrust of 22-year-old poets. What do they know of pain, loss, irrevocable breaking of things, and the compounding interests of their tolls over a longer span of life. Pretty sentiments, the simiplistic rhymes, and I could not even find a meter. Yesterday I was thinking of W. S. Merwin.

  " ... it was then that you
  saw him in his own exile and you
  paid for him and kept him until he
  could fly again and you let him go
  but then where could he go in the world
  of your time with its wars everywhere
  and the soldiers hungry the fires lit
  the knives out twelve hundred years ago."

Re: Amanda Gorman's “The Hill We Climb” (Full Text)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's how I understood it

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

To other answers here: the phrase in the poem "we're not trying to be perfect" seems contradicting the goal "to form a more perfect Union", unless you think that "let's be perfect" and "less be more perfect" are different enough. I think the road to perfection shares parts with the road to more perfection - often.

Re: Amanda Gorman's “The Hill We Climb” (Full Text)

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"*And, yes, we are far from polished, far from pristine, but that doesn’t mean we are striving to form a union that is perfect." Um,...?

Why are you confused? "We're not perfect, but we're not trying to be perfect."

For one, it's a reference to the Constitution: "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, ensure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity..."

Second, it's a much weaker statement. Compare "we are [imperfect], but that doesn’t mean we are striving to form a union that is perfect." with "we are [imperfect], but that doesn’t mean we aren't striving to form a union that is perfect." The former can be reshaped to we are imperfect, therefore we are trying to form a union that is imperfect---it leaves open the possibility that you wish to make the union worse. The latter becomes we are imperfect but we are trying to form a union that is perfect.

It's probably a typo.

Re: Amanda Gorman's “The Hill We Climb” (Full Text)

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Look, no offence, but this is a terrible poem. It's verbose: > We, the successors of a country and a time where a skinny Black girl descended from slaves and raised by a single mother can dream of becoming president, only to find herself reciting for one. It doesn't make sense. (You can't be the successor of a country, you even more can't be the successor of the present instant happening right now.) It's content-free…

What I find fascinating is how people so often have this impulse to tear down things that others hold in high regard. Impulse might even be an understatement - it's almost a need. I wonder why that is. Ex: - "vim sucks! why don't people use emacs instead?" - "katy perry's music sucks!" Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Many liked it. Many did not - yourself included. That's okay. Art does not evoke the same…

I think people are tired of the same politically-motivated dog and pony show every time inventing a new totem. Like WaPo/NYT-fabricated "pop icon" Ruth Bader Ginsberg last year. It's the same chorus of vapid praise each time, neatly confined to a news cycle.

Re: Amanda Gorman's “The Hill We Climb” (Full Text)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you confused? "We're not perfect, but we're not trying to be perfect."

That's how I understood it

When you do something that is important to you, do you try to do the best you can, try to make it perfect? (Perhaps with the realization that it cannot be perfect.) Or do you think, "Eh, imperfect is good enough?"

Re: Amanda Gorman's “The Hill We Climb” (Full Text)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

More perfect implies imperfection, just less of it.

You hit where you aim.

Re: Amanda Gorman's “The Hill We Climb” (Full Text)

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Look, no offence, but this is a terrible poem. It's verbose: > We, the successors of a country and a time where a skinny Black girl descended from slaves and raised by a single mother can dream of becoming president, only to find herself reciting for one. It doesn't make sense. (You can't be the successor of a country, you even more can't be the successor of the present instant happening right now.) It's content-free…

Look, no offenses, but that's terrible and shallow criticism:

> You can't be the successor of a country,

The we to whom it is addressed constitute a country, and can certainly be collectively successors to the past state of that country

> you even more can't be the successor of the present instant happening right now

But the time it referenced began in the (close, but still) past from the time it was recited, and the emphasis on that as already a past that we are already successors to when we contemplate it fits quite well with the theme of continuous progress of the poem.

> It's content-free, like a bad political speech. "We are striving to forge our union with purpose." As opposed to striving to forge it accidentally?

No, striving for common direction instead of perfection (though putting it that way in a poem would be inexcusable); you need to stop reading sentences alone out of context: “...that doesn’t mean we are striving to form a union that is perfect. We are striving to forge our union with purpose.”

> It's clichéd: "We close the divide because we know to put our future first, we must first put our differences aside.... while we have our eyes on the future, history has its eyes on us."

That’s a fairly specific reference, not cliché.

> It uses rhyme for cheap effect: "We seek harm to none and harmony for all."

That's...not using rhyme for cheap effect.

> It is a shame, when there are black poets like Derek Walcott out there

Kind of an odd alternative to hold out to a US inaugural poet, as Walcott is, while certainly Black (as now an absolute majority of such poets have been) both not-American and dead.

> I expected something as bad as Maya Angelou

Pretty much all the negative criticism of “On the Pulse of Morning" is of it as a decontextualized text, rather than in its actual role. And it take someone taking the same approach to Gorman’s work and blindly expecting everyone else to do the same to even begin to think the sentence the phrase “as bad as Maya Angelou” is something that could even sensibly be used, non-ironically, in this context.

> brutally reviewed by Paul Beatty

That isn't a review, of a throw away statement of distaste for a work. Which isn't the same thing.

> People get exposed to this kind of "uplifting" stuff and will think that's all there is.

While it is certainly not a requirement for poetry to be either targeted at a broad audience or uplifting, any art has a context and intended audience, and inaugural poetry is a pretty specialized niche where both breadth of appeal and uplifting character are, usually, things that makes sense. Having more depth than just that is, of courses, to be hoped for, but Gorman’s piece did.

Re: Amanda Gorman's “The Hill We Climb” (Full Text)

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Look, no offence, but this is a terrible poem. It's verbose: > We, the successors of a country and a time where a skinny Black girl descended from slaves and raised by a single mother can dream of becoming president, only to find herself reciting for one. It doesn't make sense. (You can't be the successor of a country, you even more can't be the successor of the present instant happening right now.) It's content-free…

Look, no offenses, but that's terrible and shallow criticism: > You can't be the successor of a country, The we to whom it is addressed constitute a country, and can certainly be collectively successors to the past state of that country > you even more can't be the successor of the present instant happening right now But the time it referenced began in the (close, but still) past from the time it was recited, and the…

I think the NYT reference is the wrong one, see elsewhere in the thread (where I grab a quote via https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/jun/24/paul-beatty-in...).

Agreed that Walcott, as a non-US corpse, would not make a great choice for an inaugural. How about Ocean Vuong? (I am looking, in an admittedly very superficial way, for a poet who ticks some appropriate diversity boxes - I take no position on whether that is the right thing to do - is AFAIK American, and is alive. He just comes to mind as someone who is also, you know, a rather good poet.)

Re: Amanda Gorman's “The Hill We Climb” (Full Text)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right. Reading this text without having heard it, it reads like a speech. The only thing that gives it the poetry sheen is the same tired slam poetry delivery that you can't escape now.

I never saw the delivery and it may have been awesome. (There were a couple of good lines that I can imagine sounding great - "It’s because being American is more than a pride we inherit./It’s the past we step into and how we repair it." Punchy, to the point, and a nice, surprising rhyme.) Speech can change things. I once heard a brilliant reading of someone's translations of Mickiewicz (Poland's national poet). I bo…

If you have 5 minutes, watch it. There's no need to imagine here.
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