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Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by lovecg »

jayd16 wrote: post #53
reducesuffering wrote: post #22

So when we do get rid of presidential pardons? We've seen "an American president commutes the sentence of a person convicted by a jury of lying to shield that very president." ~Mitt Romney And we've seen pardons put up for sale.[0] Is the US a nation of laws and due process or a Banana Republic where anyone can be acquitted of anything? [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/17/us/politics/trump-pardons...

Or we could hold politicians accountable for failing to hold the president accountable through the systems that exist.

People who elected these politicians evidently approve of their performance.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by gigatexal »

The Trump saga lasted 4 years though it will probably take the rest of my lifetime for the US to heal from Trump and all the acolytes his administration emboldened; from the radical right, to enabling grifters, to draconian and in humane immigration policies (kids in cages, wtf?!?), and a whole lack and mistrust of science, not to mention the rise of QAnon and just the overall tarnishing of any semblance of American leadership abroad (because he is such a joke and his administration, too).

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by La1n »

estomagordo wrote: post #64
theshrike79 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So when we do get rid of presidential pardons? Not an American, but I just learned a few days ago that a good deal of presidential pardons are used to give citizenship rights back to people who have already served their sentence - sometimes decades ago. After the pardon they can actually vote and hold public office. Maybe you should, you know, stop taking away people's rights after they're served their court-appoin…

Or stop taking them away at any point, including while they serve sentences.

To me this makes most sense, otherwise putting people who would vote for an opponent in jail makes it so you can stay in power.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by FriedrichN »

reducesuffering wrote: post #22

So when we do get rid of presidential pardons? We've seen "an American president commutes the sentence of a person convicted by a jury of lying to shield that very president." ~Mitt Romney And we've seen pardons put up for sale.[0] Is the US a nation of laws and due process or a Banana Republic where anyone can be acquitted of anything? [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/17/us/politics/trump-pardons...

I'm not a US citizen, but to me it seems to be ridiculous to give one person the ability to unilaterally make decisions on the lives of individuals. Not just these pardons, but also the barbaric rushed executions Trump performed. It appears to me to be antithetical to a democracy that claims to have a separation of power.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by hulitu »

rijoja wrote: post #6
slg wrote: post #4

>This pardon is strongly supported by James Ramsey, Peter Thiel, Miles Ehrlich, Amy Craig, Michael Ovitz, Palmer Luckey, Ryan Petersen, Ken Goldberg, Mike Jensen, Nate Schimmel, Trae Stephens, Blake Masters, and James Proud, among others. I guess it pays to have rich friends.

... or maybe they are competent and knows how to advance the public good.

> ... or maybe they are competent and knows how to advance the public good.

I think corrupt is the right word.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by renewiltord »

amatecha wrote: post #59

Issued on January 20th, 2021.... Didn't Joe Biden just win the popular vote with 51.3% on... November 3rd, 2020, over two months ago? Why does the US political system wait months to enact the peoples' will? I don't understand this at all.

A. We did not know anything on Nov 3

B. There is a process in the US that involves state electors having their votes counted and certified and the new government installed

C. No country in the world instantly swaps governments at election result time.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by slg »

bobsil1 wrote: post #60
slg wrote: post #4

>This pardon is strongly supported by James Ramsey, Peter Thiel, Miles Ehrlich, Amy Craig, Michael Ovitz, Palmer Luckey, Ryan Petersen, Ken Goldberg, Mike Jensen, Nate Schimmel, Trae Stephens, Blake Masters, and James Proud, among others. I guess it pays to have rich friends.

Or powerful ones: https://twitter.com/rsingel/status/1351783622362030082

I'm confused by this comment. It isn't an "or" situation. Thiel is a billionaire and Luckey is pretty close. Those two are powerful primarily because they are rich and they aren't the only two on that list with at least 9 digit fortunes.

EDIT: Or did I completely miss that this was a joke and "powerful" was playing off "white power".

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by amatecha »

refurb wrote: post #62
amatecha wrote: post #59

Issued on January 20th, 2021.... Didn't Joe Biden just win the popular vote with 51.3% on... November 3rd, 2020, over two months ago? Why does the US political system wait months to enact the peoples' will? I don't understand this at all.

Is this a serious question? This is what most systems do right? Hold an election and then the newly elected sit at some later point in time. Or are you suggesting the second we know the winner the previous president should be booted out?

Yeah, it's a serious question. In the 2015 Canadian General Election[0] the new Prime Minister and cabinet were sworn in two weeks later (though others seem to be often about a month later). I recently saw someone talking about their country swearing in the new party the actual next day(!), though I can't seem to find what country that was. Two months seems crazy to me.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Canadian_federal_election

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by kenneth »

bobsil1 wrote: post #60
slg wrote: post #4

>This pardon is strongly supported by James Ramsey, Peter Thiel, Miles Ehrlich, Amy Craig, Michael Ovitz, Palmer Luckey, Ryan Petersen, Ken Goldberg, Mike Jensen, Nate Schimmel, Trae Stephens, Blake Masters, and James Proud, among others. I guess it pays to have rich friends.

Or powerful ones: https://twitter.com/rsingel/status/1351783622362030082

The "ok" hand sign isn't a white power sign just because some people have decided it to be. It's meant ok since as long as anyone can remember. I'm not willing to accept I can't say okay now because some liberal thinkers have decided that that's now become racist. People need to lighten up a bit and not make everything an affront.
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