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My Second Brain – Zettelkasten

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Re: My Second Brain – Zettelkasten

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You can give it a try with obsidian.md

+1 for Obsidian. It’s the best note taking app I’ve yet found, and I’ve tried almost all of them at this point.

Have you tried Joplin? I tried Obsidian for a bit but I found that I liked Joplin better (though I'm not sure I could tell you why at this point).

Re: My Second Brain – Zettelkasten

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For anyone who wants the gist of Zettelkasten, I've just finished reading How to Take Smart Notes by Sönke Ahrens. Here's my rather brief summary of the process: * You create fleeting notes to capture ideas as they happen. They should be short lived notes that don't become the main store of your knowledge. * You create literature notes as your read material. These should include your own thoughts on highlighted passa…

You can give it a try with obsidian.md

the publish function is interesting, it'd be cool if there was also an "export" publish (i can host the website myself).

Re: My Second Brain – Zettelkasten

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There's the notorious productivity swamp that is caused by the obsession with optimizing productivity without thinking about the actual purpose behind it. This is multiplied by the ease and incentive of creating and publicizing productivity software and articles that are consumed by people in a perpetual state of insatisfaction. The result is a psychologically advanced form of procrastination and a futile attempt at…

> To-do lists are for things that aren't a real priority, otherwise you would be giving them your full attention and the tracking would be unnecessary.

I really suggest looking at the Eisenhower Matrix. Urgent and important tasks are the only types of tasks that really go into the category of "real priority." Todo lists are best used to manage tasks that are important, but either aren't as urgent as the most urgent tasks, or are blocked by some outside factor that you can't control.

It's important to finalize insurance plans for the upcoming year, but waiting until it's "urgent" may result in not having enough time to find the best plan.

Granted, maybe you don't have a problem keeping track of all important tasks -- in which case, that's awesome!

Re: My Second Brain – Zettelkasten

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For anyone who wants the gist of Zettelkasten, I've just finished reading How to Take Smart Notes by Sönke Ahrens. Here's my rather brief summary of the process: * You create fleeting notes to capture ideas as they happen. They should be short lived notes that don't become the main store of your knowledge. * You create literature notes as your read material. These should include your own thoughts on highlighted passa…

Thanks for the summary! Does it work in a team / collaborative environment?

I think so. I’ve been using it to document 3 types of things for the projects.

1. Code guidelines, which anyone can contribute to and we can discuss/review them via PRs. As each note is a small rule or idea, it’s easy to reason about. It aids discovery for new team members, but early days to test that bit out.

2. Application implementation patterns. I’ve added small notes in the codebase to outline how concept work, state management, styling, types, etc. Relevant to the codebase, but not specific to any individual code file.

3. DevOps playbook. I’ve been working on this in the past week and having it in a Zettelkasten format has been very beneficial to fill it out with the most important aspects. The set of markdown files covers how to do deployment, how we do security, backups, etc. Would love to turn that into a blog/video series when I’m done - which probably shows the power of having knowledge that is very reusable.

Re: My Second Brain – Zettelkasten

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You can give it a try with obsidian.md

+1 for Obsidian. It’s the best note taking app I’ve yet found, and I’ve tried almost all of them at this point.

Do you have an opinion on Zettlr, which was specifically designed to accommodate the Zettelkasten note-taking technique? Discussed previously on HN here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23723775

Re: My Second Brain – Zettelkasten

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I appreciate the implied question... why do this? Essentially I believe the current approaches fail to be 'mainstream friendly'. I've started to discuss this with a neuroscientist friend of mine and we are currently exploring why this is the case.

> I believe the current approaches fail to be 'mainstream friendly' Maybe Zettelkasten won't be ever 'mainstream friendly'? I use Obsidian and Notion (before that I've used txt files, Evernote and Joplin) but I don't use Zettelkasten method. And personally I think there is already so many different note taking apps that building another one won't do anything. And there are some good open source apps that would use so…

I agree about "note taking apps" (I use Notion nearly every day) but that's not actually what a Zettelkasten is. It's really a workflow that facilitates thinking and creativity.

Notion is a place I keep tidbits of information... for example a database of my videogame collection, a history of all my previous addresses (I've globe trotted my entire life) or a repository of highly detailed professional notes on complex topics. Even then I'm still not sure that Notion is really a good long term solution since their staff could theoretically access all my private information without me knowing (I've had this confirmed to me via a support ticket).

So, while Notion has extremely good problem solution fit for a lot of my use cases, Notion however doesn't actually help me develop my thoughts on philosophy or help structure my thoughts on how to approach questions I have in my fields of enquiry or help me create content from original ideas. My physical Zettelkasten does.

Re: My Second Brain – Zettelkasten

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I appreciate the implied question... why do this? Essentially I believe the current approaches fail to be 'mainstream friendly'. I've started to discuss this with a neuroscientist friend of mine and we are currently exploring why this is the case.

Notetaking is by definition not "mainstream friendly" and probably never will until the rise of true AI. Each solution will fail because it's hard work on an everchanging battlefield and most peopke gave neither and instant reward nor a longterm motivation to play the system long enough to maybe get something some day.

I 100% agree with what you're saying but I think it's still possible to make it compelling for users.

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I answered this briefly above, but I could flip the question by asking, if the other approaches are so great, why haven't they found product market fit and mass adoption? And that lack of mass market adoption really annoys me because I believe in the benefits of a Zettelkasten and it would really increase creativity and productivity across many fields if there was mass market adoption.

I disagree about the mass market adoption - compared to how long Zettelkasten has been trending (less than a year), the rise in its tooling and usage is quite phenomenal.

Could you please help me understand the basis for your point of view? Precisely what evidence are you referring to? For example, the subreddit on it seems quite small... and many of the people I know could benefit from it have never heard of it before.

Re: My Second Brain – Zettelkasten

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I appreciate the implied question... why do this? Essentially I believe the current approaches fail to be 'mainstream friendly'. I've started to discuss this with a neuroscientist friend of mine and we are currently exploring why this is the case.

Do you have any details on this or is it not documented anywhere yet?

As in my conversations with my neuroscience friend? If that's what you're referring to than no, it's all private conversation and private WhatsApp messages (I know, I know, I've done my best to get her over to Signal)

Re: My Second Brain – Zettelkasten

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I love that the author publishes his notes for everyone to see. I do the same (at https://notes.stavros.io/, though I have much fewer notes).

Nowadays, with all the SEO going on, Google is useless for showing you things like the author's site. To combat that, I was thinking of making an open community of notes, sort of a Wikipedia/WikiHow where every user gets their personal site and publishes notes, but with search being global. You could go on the site, search for, say, "fpv airplanes" and find people's notes on the topic.

It probably wouldn't have the high-level overview of Wikipedia, but it would instead be a sort of "StackOverflow for knowledge", where you could find solutions to minor annoyances like this: https://notes.stavros.io/software/monero-gui-syncing-stuck-w...

Instead of going through the effort of writing a whole new UI, I was thinking of making the server be a synchronization backend for Joplin [0] instead, and publishing the notes every time there's a change.

What does everyone think? Would you be interested in participating in an early alpha? Any other feedback?

[0] https://joplinapp.org/

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