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New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by yoz-y »

runawaybottle wrote: post #6
simonmales wrote: post #4

Reading this, it feels like the MacBook Pro of 2015 is finally getting an upgrade. Took them 5 years to go back and restore the old school. Great to hear a couple iterations ago they restored the keyboard. Now with dropping the touch bar and bringing back mag safe. My 2015 daily driver might see retirement.

Yeah, plus more ports. Touchbar was interesting, but not a killer feature. Sounds like the upgrade devs were looking for.

I’m very dubious about the ports rumor. What ports would that be? USB-A makes no sense. HDMI would, but would it fit? If they add Mini-hdmi then you’d need a dongle anyways. As it is I think the only good candidate is a SD card reader.

Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by tinus_hn »

thecopy wrote: post #2

1. The two new models are equipped with about 14-inch and 16-inch displays, respectively. 2. In terms of casing design, the new models cancel the curvy design of existing models’ top and bottom parts and adopt a flat-edged form factor design similar to the iPhone 12 . 3. The MagSafe charging connector design is restored. 4. The OLED touch bar is removed, and the physical function buttons are restored. 5. There is no…

Right. Welcome in 2021 where the forward looking devices no longer use USB-C which can connect just about anything, but vga plugs?

Not believing that for a second.

Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by llaolleh »

switz wrote: post #66

If anyone from Apple is reading, let me just say – this is exactly what I want. Magsafe charging. Function keys instead of the touchbar. 15-16" screen. M1 CPU. 32GB Memory. I also prefer the 2015 keyboard, but it's not a dealbreaker. I'll pay for the kickstarter now if it means it'll come out in the next 18 months. Please make it happen.

^. Apple please listen to your customers. Beauty and thinness above functionality ain't worth it.

Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by dividedbyzero »

Kwpolska wrote: post #62
square_usual wrote: post #38

I know it's from Kuo, but these leaks don't pass the smell test for me. It makes no sense for them to add the touchbar to the base model 13" MBPs only to remove them from the higher end versions. It makes even less sense to add more ports which aren't USB-C, as the bits about MagSafe and no dongles imply. Further, I don't understand what is meant by "iPhone 12 like" non-curvy design - I have a 2018 MBP 15", and the s…

> remove them from the higher-end versions The 14" MBP will be the new 13", so if that rumor is true, it will be the end of Touch Bar.

That would be sad, I really like the touchbar, and I've seen people use it as makeshift sliders for audio and a mini-midi keyboard, and the context-sensitive recommendations are so much more useful to me than F-keys, I'm just way too lazy do memorize multiple layers for different apps. I really do hope they don't go back to plain F-keys only.

Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by yoz-y »

Keloran wrote: post #26

I quite like the Touch Bar, with things like pock it means I can have full screen, hide the dock entire and still have notifications And the ability to set custom apps inside it with iterm, and not have to loose a key on the board itself I spend most of my time in vi when in terminal, and never had a “I’m missing an escape” ever

Touch Bar would have been more useful had they have an external keyboard with it. Almost no developers supported it because it was only available on a subset of devices. And then only in the case when people actually use the internal keyboard. I guess this excludes a lot of people who hook their computers to an external keyboard, screen and so on all the time.

It’s quite like 3D Touch in this sense. (But I actually liked 3D Touch, unlike the Touch Bar)

Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by yoz-y »

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #34

This is the laptop I want to buy, but I find it really hard to believe. They just released a new ARM Macbook Pro with a touch bar at the bottom end of the Pro lineup, which didn't used to come with a touch bar (I have ~2017 pro without). If they wanted to drop the touch bar they could have done it without much fanfare on that model and I'm not sure why they wouldn't do so.

It was probably easier for them to keep the touch bar there as the enclosure is pretty much identical to the previous model. Maybe they had a stock of them to finish while retooling?

Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by dividedbyzero »

simonmales wrote: post #37
ksec wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Great to hear a couple iterations ago they restored the keyboard. Magic Keyboard was only introduced in mid 2020. And they are still not as good as MBP 2015 in terms of typing experience. Magic Keyboard Key Travel - 1mm MacBook 2015 Key Travel - 1.3mm Key Spacing as well. They are tiny in Magic Keyboard Layout and it is harder to "sense" the keys apart. >Took them 5 years to go back and restore the old school. Track…

Ah, I thought the whole bringing back of the Scissor mechanism had brought the glory back. Reminds me of a blog post (via HN of course) that discussed how Apple is hurting itself by being obsessed with making devices smaller (Ugh, can't find the link). A friend was grilling his boss who was fan boying over a particular iPhone release. Where the device was 10% thinner. In the real world it was a 1mm difference.

I personally prefer the 2020 keyboard over my previous 2013 one. Just feels nicer to type on, for me personally. I really hated all of the butterfly keyboards.

Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by justinko »

slowmotiony wrote: post #30
p1necone wrote: post #16

Apple listening to consumer feedback? What's going on? I never thought they'd add more ports again either - I could actually see myself getting one of these.

Jony Ive is gone is my guess

What a taint to his legacy. Not a good way to go out.

Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by lordnacho »

I finally cracked about a year ago and replaced my 2015 MBP 15 with a 2020 MBP 16.

Now I'm gonna swap it once this thing comes out.

Experiences thus far with the MBP16:

- MBP16 has 64GM RAM and can run several IDEs at once, I can compile a project and do other stuff without feeling any lag. It does make the fans come on, which is expected.

- Still stutters on certain games, but it wasn't purchased for that. Kinda surprising though, I maxed out all the options minus the disk size when I bought it.

- The key travel is just right, I think slightly less than the 2015 version but more than my wife's 2018. Goldilocks.

- The Touch Bar is ok, not something I'll miss. I've set it up with BetterTouchTool to have a combination of the open apps and a thing to pull up iTerm2. A minor nuisance is I'll be typing something and I slightly touch the bar, and it pulls up another app.

- It eats battery. With my old set of MacBooks, you could never tell which power adapter it was connected to, because it didn't matter whether it was a slightly lower power. With the 16 it's noticeable. If there wasn't a virus lockdown I'd probably struggle to take it out to a café for a day's work.

- Screen is beautiful as always. They seem to have found a way to reduce the bezel size, because the 2015 and 2020 models look to be pretty much the same size externally. They actually fit nicely one on top of the other when closed.

- Larger trackpad is ok, not killer. Maybe it helps some people's wrists to not have to move all the way to the middle.

Reasons for upgrade:

- Less energy use could make the thing properly mobile

- Should be a noticeable speed increase

- MagSafe makes it feel safer. I have kids, the USB ports seem like they could easily get broken if someone steps on a cable. For now I've got adapters anyway, in order to make use of all my old MagSafe chargers, but it would be nice to have it all the way up to the port.

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