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Re: AWS repeatedly warned Parler about posts urging murder

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I think Amazon the entity is exactly the right person to decide who their customers are and what their contractual obligations are to those customers. If I ran a SaaS I definitely wouldn't want to submit a form to some government entity and wait 3 months for some bureaucrat to decide whether or not I can stop serving a customer that I am contractually allowed to stop serving.

I get your point, and understand your position. For my SaaS I also wouldn't want to deal with something like Parler. That being said, I don't personally believe that your analogy of your (or my own) SaaS platform is that relevant. The difference here is that Amazon could be considered a major infrastructure provider. It has around 30% of the cloud market share, which puts it in a very powerful category if they have t…

> It has around 30% of the cloud market share, which puts it in a very powerful category if they have the power to shutdown platform.

It only had that power because Parler gave it to them. Parler didn't have to sign a contract they couldn't fulfill. And Parler will be able to find another way to host.

Re: AWS repeatedly warned Parler about posts urging murder

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post #50

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I'll admit the use of 'unilateral' here is probably poor, I don't know the proper one. These companies exert monopoly power in the markets they are in. Decisions made by companies which are monopolies are "unilateral-ist" because once a small number of them make a decision together (perhaps colluding) then it leaves no recourse for the person or group they are deciding against. Mentioned elsewhere, the process we sho…

AWS has somewhere around 30% marketshare in a market with well more than dozens of players. I have a hard time seeing it as a monopoly.

I'm referring to monopoly power - which doesn't mean a singular entity. A good thought exercise to gauge this in this situation specifically is if it's only incidental that they were on AWS. If they were on Azure or GCP I think we can assume the same result would have occured.

Re: AWS repeatedly warned Parler about posts urging murder

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll admit the use of 'unilateral' here is probably poor, I don't know the proper one. These companies exert monopoly power in the markets they are in. Decisions made by companies which are monopolies are "unilateral-ist" because once a small number of them make a decision together (perhaps colluding) then it leaves no recourse for the person or group they are deciding against. Mentioned elsewhere, the process we sho…

Banning content moderation unless you have a judge's order seems like it could be problematic. If this law existed could dang still ban people for people for being a-holes and not following site guidelines or would he need a court order?

I'm referring specifically to the situation where an entire service is going to be shut down, and silence many, many people who presumably were not doing anything illegal.

At the risk of a stupid analogy, AWS have near-Death Star like capability at this point, so blowing up Alderaan in the name of killing a few people on it the local government seems unwilling to seems like it should have a few checks and balances.

Re: AWS repeatedly warned Parler about posts urging murder

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Lots of weird stuff in there, Amazon says Parler is suspended, but not terminated, but then says it will preserve data and help with migration. Which is it? Does Parler have a path to removing the suspension?

Additionally, Amazon says Parler does moderate and remove content, but not with a sense of urgency. How does Amazon define this sense of urgency? Parler was suspended because it wasn't quick enough to remove posts all while trying to manage 12 million users, 2.3 million DAU, and have explosive growth. Is a backlog of 26000 reports really a large number?

Re: AWS repeatedly warned Parler about posts urging murder

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post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AWS has somewhere around 30% marketshare in a market with well more than dozens of players. I have a hard time seeing it as a monopoly.

I'm referring to monopoly power - which doesn't mean a singular entity. A good thought exercise to gauge this in this situation specifically is if it's only incidental that they were on AWS. If they were on Azure or GCP I think we can assume the same result would have occured.

Good thing there's still more than AWS, GCP, and Azure in the cloud hosting market. There are dozens if not hundreds of companies willing to rent you computing hardware on the internet. There are dozens if not hundreds of colocations willing to rent you space, power, and network connectivity.

Re: AWS repeatedly warned Parler about posts urging murder

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post #15

I am not on Twitter, but wasn't #HangMikePence trending a few days ago? Isn't it a bit hypocritical when one of the biggest social network is allowed to do the same thing?

This was addressed in the document. The basic answer is AWS doesn't host Twitter(so it's not hypocritical), and Twitter blocked this phrase.

This was a finely worded, AWS does not host Twitter Feeds, but they are in contract to host Twitter timelines...

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Aws+to+deliver+Twitter+contract+ti...

Re: AWS repeatedly warned Parler about posts urging murder

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post #55

I struggle to understand how it is not a way to remove a competitor and move the spotlight from those companies doing a good deed vs the black duck being parler. Twitter let ISIS terrorists post beadings and murders on its platform. A simple search on any racial keyword will show plenty of hatred that is everywhere on its platform. Facebook, not even talking about what they do, the way they use data, advertise, and l…

> not a way to remove a competitor Competitor to what? Amazon isn't particularly relevant in the social media space. (Goodreads and IMDB are the most social sites they run afaik, and that's a bit far fetched)

Twitter signed a large deal with AWS to host some of Twitters service...

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Aws+to+deliver+Twitter+contract+ti...

Re: AWS repeatedly warned Parler about posts urging murder

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It's worth pointing out the offensive content cited in the document: * “Fry’em up. The whole fkn crew. #pelosi #aoc #thesquad #soros #gates #chuckschumer #hrc #obama #adamschiff #blm #antifa we are coming for you and you will know it.” * “#JackDorsey ... you will die a bloody death alongside Mark Suckerturd [Zuckerberg].... It has been decided and plans are being put in place. Remember the photographs inside your hom…

What is indefensible, letting users post this garbage, letting it linger too long, or not removing it?
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