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Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by daniellarusso »

jeffreyrogers wrote: post #5

Paragraph 5 seems pretty damaging if AWS really did violate their contract as claimed.

Paragraph 5:

Thus, AWS is violating Section 1 of the Sherman Antitrust Act in combination with Defendant Twitter. AWS is also breaching it contract with Parler, which requires AWS to provide Parler with a thirty-day notice before terminating service, rather than the less than thirty-hour notice AWS actually provided. Finally, AWS is committing intentional interference with prospective economic advantage given the millions of users expected to sign up in the near future.

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Post by thomasjudge »

xvector wrote: post #40

And here we see the problem with centralized social media. Did anyone think that handing control over to megacorps would end differently? Today it’s Parler, tomorrow it’s whatever political ideology Big Tech finds inconvenient.

"Handing control over." Seriously, do you have a realistic alternative? If we are going to have social media, at scale, in a capitalist society, it's hard to see how there's much of an alternative to for-profit companies. Do you want the government to run Twitter?

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by throwaway4good »

Who Amazon does business with is their own decision.

But terminating Parler with such short notice that they had no chance of moving to an alternative without major disruption of their business. Well. That is deliberate destruction.

Without knowing anything about US civil law, I would expect Parler to have a strong case.

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Post by blhack »

listless wrote: post #34

If you’re a business, do you really want to be on a provider that can pull your card with little to no notice? That’s a lot of power. The boot is coming down hard right now. The cloud is looking like a risky bet.

"The cloud" is irrelevant to this.

Get your own servers -> datacenter won't host them

Get your own datacenters -> no bandwidth providers will connect you

Make your own ISP/bandwidth provider -> nobody will peer with you

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Post by meekmockmook »

greesil wrote: post #56
meekmockmook wrote: post #17

I have seen so many violent threats and incitements on Twitter, Snapchat, Facebook, and Instagram over the last 5 years that Parler could possibly make the case that they've been singled out, but I doubt it. They're just too unsympathetic of a plaintiff, imho. That said, antitrust battles against Big Tech will dominate the next four years of economic policy, and rightfully so. GAFA is too big, too powerful, too manip…

Yeah but these threats were actually carried out. Not the first time for Parler either, as I recall.

I mean, I watched as people on Twitter and Facebook Live coordinated to torch one of my favorites neighborhoods in L.A. this summer. I saw looters tweet about breaking into a drug store in Sherman Oaks. You can't say it's just talk there. The damage to Melrose and DTLA had to have been in the tens of millions, if not more.

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Post by alasdair_ »

adamredwoods wrote: post #58
jeffreyrogers wrote: post #5

Paragraph 5 seems pretty damaging if AWS really did violate their contract as claimed.

> "Doing so is the equivalent of pulling the plug on a hospital patient onlife support. It will kill Parler’s business—at the very time it is set to skyrocket." I don't know if they can hold that true that people will be signing up per "skyrocket" metaphor. They can use past data, but cannot use unknown future data.

>I don't know if they can hold that true that people will be signing up per "skyrocket" metaphor. They can use past data, but cannot use unknown future data.

They can show that it was the #1 most downloaded app on Apple's app store and make a reasonable inference from that.

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Post by gt565k »

How does stuff like this work in Germany, as I believe they have a lot of anti nazi laws against hate speech etc?

Like this should would have been shut down weeks in advance in Germany.

Have we learned nothing from history?

I can't believe people are fighting to give racists, mentally ill, brainwashed extremists a platform to organize and plot violent acts behind the disguise of free speech.

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Post by AmericanChopper »

greesil wrote: post #56
meekmockmook wrote: post #17

I have seen so many violent threats and incitements on Twitter, Snapchat, Facebook, and Instagram over the last 5 years that Parler could possibly make the case that they've been singled out, but I doubt it. They're just too unsympathetic of a plaintiff, imho. That said, antitrust battles against Big Tech will dominate the next four years of economic policy, and rightfully so. GAFA is too big, too powerful, too manip…

Yeah but these threats were actually carried out. Not the first time for Parler either, as I recall.

A terror attack was literally live streamed on Facebook.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by Nacdor »

Glenn Greenwald has been investigating the planning of the Capitol protests and says "it was largely done on Facebook". So far he hasn't been able to identify a single person who was arrested and active on Parler:

> Do you know how many of the people arrested in connection with the Capitol invasion were active users of Parler? Zero. The planning was largely done on Facebook. This is all a bullshit pretext for silencing competitors on ideological grounds: just the start.

> For those asking the basis for that last claim: I spent the weekend reporting on the removal of Parler from the internet, including reviewing lots of documents and interviewing people associated with the companies involved, including Parler.

> The article will be up shortly.

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1348619731734028293

I would be more interested in hearing if all these prominent figures in the Capitol protests were active across multiple (or all) social media platforms, which often seems to be the case. If that is true, then it makes for an even stronger argument that Parler has been singled out.

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