Twitch disables Trump’s account indefinitely • Hacker News Board

Re: Twitch disables Trump’s account indefinitely

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Post by craftinator » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 9:29 PM UTC

craftinator wrote: post #69

incrudible wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The part that says there's "an orderly transition of power". Trumpers will forever believe that the election was stolen, but they can believe that from the comfort of their homes, they don't need to go out and attempt to overthrow the government because of it. If any tech company were to try to suppress the "facts" that support the "rigged election" narrative, that would only reinforce the their beliefs.

> The part that says there's "an orderly transition of power". This has been Trump, forever. He strings together contradictions in every sentence he can, and when he can't, he makes sure to contradict or make a random topic change within the next sentence. Why does he do this? It's a rhetorical trick. That means every time he speaks, most people find something in it that they want to hear. He makes sure not to say an…

If you've ever read Seveneves by Neal Stephenson, it's very similar to JBF's rhetorical style (scary similar). Big ideas, many ideas, full of contradictions, and fluidly swapping between possible interpretations to convince as many as possible, and demonizing anyone who figures out what your doing. It's nasty.

Re: Twitch disables Trump’s account indefinitely

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Post by barbacoa » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 9:30 PM UTC

zaroth wrote: post #65

dmitriid wrote: post #32

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Hillary Clinton conceded she lost the very next day. There was an orderly transition process from Obama to Trump that started on the second day after the election. Compare that "undermining" to what the GOP and Trump are doing.

Hardy ordinary though, for the FBI to orchestrate false charges and spy on the incoming administration with fraudulent FISA warrants. They are both very wrong, in different ways.

Or that time Obama had a sit down meeting with heads of the FBI and directed them to go after Trump's national security adviser in order to get Flynn "arrested or fired".

Re: Twitch disables Trump’s account indefinitely

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Post by wnissen » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 9:31 PM UTC

barbacoa wrote: post #29

fredophile wrote: post #26

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If somebody said "your democracatically elected government has been taken away but you should just go home," would you? Would the Trump supporters that raided the capital yesterday? The reason they will forever believe that the election was stolen is because Trump continues to say that the election was stolen.

People spent years de-legitimatizing the 2016 election by claiming that Trump colluded with the Russian government. There were even stories published by mainstream media outlets that Russians hack election machines. The other side undermining the election results after they lost is not exactly new.

The difference is that there are 250 million documented user engagements with confirmed Russian propaganda pages. Those are the numbers provided directly from Facebook: 76 million on Facebook and 187 million on Instagram. That's a lot of likes, comments and shares.

Page 48. https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/docu...

Re: Twitch disables Trump’s account indefinitely

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Post by rconti » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 9:31 PM UTC

stevehawk wrote: post #23

you_are_naive wrote: post #21

Am I the only one who finds the whole situation bizarre? Edit: I will be more blunt since some replies show they don't understand what I find weird: Why do you need a private social media company to stop your president from planting terrorism in your own country because he thinks the election is fake instead of congress/government/whatever??!

You mean that in 2021, the man with the "nuclear football" is banned from the 2 of the largest social media platforms? No that's not bizarre at all.

To be fair, all previous presidents were effectively banned from social media because they had the sense not to use it.

Nothing prevented this president or any other president from just opening a 24x7 conference call line where he can just blather whatever he feels like at any time to anyone listening.

But, none of them did.

Re: Twitch disables Trump’s account indefinitely

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Post by incrudible » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 9:32 PM UTC

craftinator wrote: post #69

incrudible wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The part that says there's "an orderly transition of power". Trumpers will forever believe that the election was stolen, but they can believe that from the comfort of their homes, they don't need to go out and attempt to overthrow the government because of it. If any tech company were to try to suppress the "facts" that support the "rigged election" narrative, that would only reinforce the their beliefs.

> The part that says there's "an orderly transition of power". This has been Trump, forever. He strings together contradictions in every sentence he can, and when he can't, he makes sure to contradict or make a random topic change within the next sentence. Why does he do this? It's a rhetorical trick. That means every time he speaks, most people find something in it that they want to hear. He makes sure not to say an…

Of course I want to hear that there will be an orderly transition. I do not necessarily disagree with your general analysis, but what are you implying here? That he is still hedging a plot for a coup? Doubtful.

The fact of the matter is that until yesterday, it made complete sense for Trump to cause a huge scene to scare the electors into tossing the election. Today it does not, the election is over, there is no recourse. Trump has nothing to gain from any further unrest.

Re: Twitch disables Trump’s account indefinitely

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Post by specialist » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 9:32 PM UTC

I'd pay real money for a personal custom filter bubble which prevented me from hearing or reading anything about Trump ever again.

Re: Twitch disables Trump’s account indefinitely

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Post by rq1 » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 9:33 PM UTC

I completely and fundamentally disagree with Trump and his “ideology”.

But how can we agree on the principle of censorship?

I mean, if we agree with the idea of censorship, we also mechanically agree to get censored tomorrow by whoever is the new censor.

Shouldn’t it be the same rule for everyone?

Re: Twitch disables Trump’s account indefinitely

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Post by dmurray » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 9:35 PM UTC

giarc wrote: post #30

psyc wrote: post #27

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That’s what you get when you elect a tabloid celebrity billionaire to the most important office in the world. I’ve been mostly disappointed with our selection of candidates for a long time, but I never thought I’d see that. It’s as if nobody outstanding even wants the job. Literally Idiocracy.

>It’s as if nobody outstanding even wants the job. I think the issue in 2016 was too many people wanted the job. You can agree/disagree whether the primary field included 'outstanding' people, but the sheer number of candidates allowed the loud mouth to stand out.

There's always lots of people who want to be President. Certainly way more than the 20 or so who showed up in primaries.

The issue was that a relatively large number of them had financial support and sizeable backing within the Republican party until late in the campaign. That's less likely to happen if there's one outstanding candidate. For example, it didn't happen in 2020, not because nobody else wanted to be President, but because the GOP overwhelmingly agreed that Trump was their best bet.

Re: Twitch disables Trump’s account indefinitely

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Post by specialist » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 9:36 PM UTC

darkarmani wrote: post #28

incrudible wrote: post #9

I find this disingenuous. This is his latest position on the matter of succession[1]: "Even though I totally disagree with the outcome of the election, and the facts bear me out, nevertheless there will be an orderly transition on January 20th" Why does Twitter want to prevent him from making such a statement on his Twitter account? Would that not be calming the situation, if anything? [1] https://www.politico.com/ne…

I think when someone strikes out 100 times, you are finally allowed to call them out. Cherry picking one sentence of a post that is "calming" is what is disingenuous.

The genius of Trump's tactic of saying everything (continuously contradicting himself) is allowing everyone to cherry pick useful bits to support (or oppose) any given narrative.

Re: Twitch disables Trump’s account indefinitely

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Post by vkou » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 9:38 PM UTC

mattnewton wrote: post #56

Threeve303 wrote: post #42

Despite the circumstances, I don’t think it sets a good precedent in the future. Many reasons for this, not least of which is when you have a criminal continuing to give evidence publicly you let them keep going...

I think these platforms just don’t want any possibility that they are responsible for inciting a riot in the future. Purely an ass-covering move, just as it was to continue to platform him when he had power over the DoJ. If you want any other behavior you’d have to clarify the immunities and/or expectations around platforming government officials explicitly in law, and I am afraid what this congress would come up wit…

It's not just ass-covering.

Many of the people who work on those platforms don't want to be complicit in a coup.