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Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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Re: Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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Post by prox »

Aduket wrote: post #57
prox wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any chance Erdogan will be democratically ousted?

Turk here. i doubt it. Average education level of turkish people is around 8th grade. He controls all the mainstream media, and preachers in the mosques. What remains as a free ground to spread the criticic voice is internet, which has been partially censored up to now and is going to be heavily suppressed as of 2021. And social media will no longer be a safe place for criticizing Erdogan, unless utilizing secure VPN…

Not sure why you got downvoted, it’s very concerning. Before the coup attempt I was hopeful in democracy for Turkey. I believe it was then when most opposition was routed :/

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Post by goda90 »

Aduket wrote: post #65

Atheist turk here, this youtube channel is the largest social media channel of gulen religious sect/terror group, which tried to topple erdogan in 2016. Despite hating Erdogan to my guts, i can assure you that this gulenist movement/terror group is a bigger threat to secularism and democracy in turkey and world alike.

There's a lot of doubt internationally that Gulen was behind the coup attempt. And there are some that believe it was a false flag operation to allow Erdogan to solidify his power.

Re: Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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Post by psKama »

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #40

This is a very tricky situation. Two things come to mind. 1. Turkey wants a fight. I keep up on reading the western commentary and analysis about the region (Not the mainstream crap), and it's apparent to me that deeply-entrenched forces in Turkey want a fight. Our strategy so far is to do the best we can to ignore/placate them. I'm not sure how long that continues to work. 2. From time-to-time, we talk on HN about t…

I don't believe HN is the right place to engage in political discussions but I need to clarify couple of points.

> Turkey wants a fight.

You need to make clear references about what and who you refer to when you say "Turkey".

Even with a totally oppressed media and everything else, Erdogan's support in Turkey is in the band of 30-40%. Majority of Turkish citizens are not happy with him.

Western world keeps doing the some mistake (if not on purpose) as they do with Russia, skipping that difference when bringing up all the negativity about him. As Putin, this just helps him solidifying his base, by using this to create a common enemy outside of Turkey.

With that said, I don't believe even Erdogan himself wants to have any fight with anyone outside of Turkey but just trying to protect country's interest internationally. That's why although his support is in a band of 30-40%, a solid 85% of Turkish people are supporting his international policies.

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Post by merth »

istanbul7 wrote: post #43

That website controlled by followers of gulen that killed 250 innocent people in 2016. Can somebody tell me that DAES (ISIS) related main news websites is allowed in Western countries.

you can't come to a western website and drop the fact like that. funny how would HK feel if this was ISIS promoting website on western ban on ISIS propaganda instead of Gulenist one. as western says one mans terrorists, others freedom fighter.

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Post by tehwebguy »

psKama wrote: post #73
DanielBMarkham wrote: post #40

This is a very tricky situation. Two things come to mind. 1. Turkey wants a fight. I keep up on reading the western commentary and analysis about the region (Not the mainstream crap), and it's apparent to me that deeply-entrenched forces in Turkey want a fight. Our strategy so far is to do the best we can to ignore/placate them. I'm not sure how long that continues to work. 2. From time-to-time, we talk on HN about t…

I don't believe HN is the right place to engage in political discussions but I need to clarify couple of points. > Turkey wants a fight. You need to make clear references about what and who you refer to when you say "Turkey". Even with a totally oppressed media and everything else, Erdogan's support in Turkey is in the band of 30-40%. Majority of Turkish citizens are not happy with him. Western world keeps doing the…

Yes, thank you. I am not one to mince words but think people make a huge mistake when they talk about what ${country} wants instead of ${country.leader} or ${party}

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Post by dxdm »

bzb6 wrote: post #41
hcho wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They lived in close proximity for a good part of a millennium. Do you think they haven't influenced each other?

Maybe so but they are entirely different countries currently in the things that matter.

> entirely different countries currently in the things that matter.

I don't know, there seems to be quite some common ground when it comes to food and drink, for example. That's part (and the result) of some shared culture, I'd say. Isn't it nice to realize that your neighbors might be people just like you are, who like to take their coffee in quite a similar way?

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Post by planetis »

istanbul7 wrote: post #43

That website controlled by followers of gulen that killed 250 innocent people in 2016. Can somebody tell me that DAES (ISIS) related main news websites is allowed in Western countries.

Mr, in democratic societies voicing your views is protected by the freedom of speech. However hate speech and extremist groups preaching it should be prosecuted, as criminal organizations. A Jewish philosopher has advocated for this stance (whose name I've forgotten). Are you a sympathizer of this group by any chance? Why do you think it would be beneficial for a person living in a Western country being subjected to extreme violence, intolerance and hate speech?

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Post by dustysilicon »

Aduket wrote: post #57
prox wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any chance Erdogan will be democratically ousted?

Turk here. i doubt it. Average education level of turkish people is around 8th grade. He controls all the mainstream media, and preachers in the mosques. What remains as a free ground to spread the criticic voice is internet, which has been partially censored up to now and is going to be heavily suppressed as of 2021. And social media will no longer be a safe place for criticizing Erdogan, unless utilizing secure VPN…

> Think about republican voters and how fanatic they have become under Trump's rule in mere four years.

Fanatics? Is that how you refer to different political views? If so, we are all fanatics.

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Post by jessaustin »

cblconfederate wrote: post #9
Alupis wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Erdogan has been a loose canon for a long time, and I suspect is only tolerated because of Turkey's precarious NATO membership.

- He does the US's bidding in the region , countering russia in Syria, Libya, and Nagorno-karabakh without the US having to take blame for it - He does Germany's bidding by countering French interventionism in Libya / eastmed without Germany having to take blame for it

...Nagorno-karabakh...

That's another recent event that went totally uncovered by USA news media firms. They thought some confused Americans might object to military aid that encourages Muslims to attack Christians.

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Post by csunbird »

maxwell wrote: post #52
RealityVoid wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand your sentiment, but, the flip side is that a strong military is a good safeguard for peace. I have this... Hard to formulate opinion that you should be prepared to prevail in violence but at the same time avoid it as much as possible.

Si vis pacem , para bellum

In times of peace, prepare for war.
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