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Children choose to save dogs over humans, adults chose 1 human over 100 dogs

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Re: Children choose to save dogs over humans, adults chose 1 human over 100 dogs

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Children are ethically immature? Who could have guessed?!?

Ah, but the question is "is valuing all lives regardless of species ethically immature?"

Note that 'notRobot's "valuing all lives" is not saying "valuing all lives precisely equally" but rather opposing "humans are far more morally important" as per the abstract.

Re: Children choose to save dogs over humans, adults chose 1 human over 100 dogs

#72

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Or... Adults become so overly conditioned to accept that killing animals for our daily lives is normal, that we no longer register animal death as an ethical issue.

> killing animals for our daily lives is normal It is normal. Historically speaking, not doing so is what’s not normal. The nature of this planet is that every living thing lives off eating other living things.

It is normal because for a very long time we didn't have a choice. I won't argue with the ethical aspects of killing animals but from a climate standpoint it makes sense to kill and eat a lot less animals.

I chose not to eat any animal products because I feel I don't need to eat animals to live and because the alternative is better for the world in general. The alternatives seem to either not live up to the claims or not be sustainable except at a small scale.

Re: Children choose to save dogs over humans, adults chose 1 human over 100 dogs

#73
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A truly amoral rational agent would save the kitten, because they can't keep the painting.

Only if they valued the continued existence of the Mona Lisa, absent owning it, at zero.

What value does seeing the original add over seeing a scan of the painting?

Re: Children choose to save dogs over humans, adults chose 1 human over 100 dogs

#74

I got a puppy when the pandemic hit, since I live alone and figured it'd help me cope with the isolation. This is the first pet I've ever owned. I thought that I would be able to "love" it the way other people seem to. But I can't, and until seeing this article I almost felt like that meant I was sociopathic or something. Sure it's cute, but I would also have no hesitation whatsoever in killing it to save the life of…

i think this speaks far more to the way you value the life of people over animals. for me and my dog it's very different. if i had to choose between killing my dog and letting a stranger die, i wouldn't be able to kill my dog. if i had to choose between him and my partner, he's gonna have to die.

i also don't feel like human life has some intrinsic value. my dog brings a lot of love and happiness to my life. i've known a lot of people who bring pain and suffering to others. why value a person that may or may not bring happiness to the world over something that does bring happiness?

i think the idea that there is a binary solution to all problems is a poor world view, but 'black and white'[0] thinking is a tell tell sign of abuse and considered a standard trauma response.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_(psychology)

Re: Children choose to save dogs over humans, adults chose 1 human over 100 dogs

#75
post #36

I got a puppy when the pandemic hit, since I live alone and figured it'd help me cope with the isolation. This is the first pet I've ever owned. I thought that I would be able to "love" it the way other people seem to. But I can't, and until seeing this article I almost felt like that meant I was sociopathic or something. Sure it's cute, but I would also have no hesitation whatsoever in killing it to save the life of…

Seriously if you feel this way about your pet you should find someone to adopt it from you.

I was going to disagree with you, but:

> but I would also have no hesitation whatsoever in killing it to save the life of a random stranger I've never met.

No hesitation, really? Not even a bit? I can't fathom how.

Re: Children choose to save dogs over humans, adults chose 1 human over 100 dogs

#76

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I don't think clueless is the right word. Innocent, sure, but they just haven't learned how to value things within a more realistic manner.

I was referring to the fact that they are not bothered by eating ham, bacon, etc. They are clueless about what happens to pigs in the real world, and how many have perished to provide their sustenance.

That brings up an interesting perspecitve. How would answers to this question break down by urban vs rural demgraphics. Kids that raise animals for something like FFA or even directly on a farm as well as kids that are around this type of environment are much more aware that they are raising food. Does that skew their answers compared to kids in the city that may not ever even see a cow/pig in real life?

Re: Children choose to save dogs over humans, adults chose 1 human over 100 dogs

#77

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Ah, but the question is "is valuing all lives regardless of species ethically immature?"

No, that's not really the question - the question is whether kids can reason morally, which they can't. And it's not that they value all lives equally, it's that they value dogs over humans.

Or perhaps they do away with moral reasoning and are just in direct touch with their nature as shepherds of cognitively lesser beings ? I'm just thinking out loud, my point being maybe they actually know something we don't and not the other way around ( where one doesn't exclude the other ).

Re: Children choose to save dogs over humans, adults chose 1 human over 100 dogs

#78
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Seriously if you feel this way about your pet you should find someone to adopt it from you.

>Seriously if you feel this way about your pet you should find someone to adopt it from you. You would let a person die to save your pet?

People die all the time. Animals die all the time too. But this animal dying would have a huge negative impact on my life, whereas whether or not someone I've never met would not.

So yeah. I'd consider it.

Re: Children choose to save dogs over humans, adults chose 1 human over 100 dogs

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> killing animals for our daily lives is normal It is normal. Historically speaking, not doing so is what’s not normal. The nature of this planet is that every living thing lives off eating other living things.

It is normal for animals who don't think the same way that we do. They don't understand the concepts of "killing" or "life" and don't value life in the same manner as humans. It's always struck me as odd when unethical treatment of animals is justified by saying "animals eat/kill/hurt other animals too!". We're different from animals. Our standards should be higher.

Many animals do understand killing and death. Elephants are a prime example of this.

Also, what is unethical about eating an animal? If this is really an issue, then we should be out there killing all those murdering predators like wolves, right?

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