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How neutering dogs became the norm

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Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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Post by michaelmrose »

sn_master wrote: post #69
leetcrew wrote: post #67

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there are almost 80 million dogs in america. linking a video with hundreds of pitbull attacks is not much better than just saying your neighbor has one and it's mean. the margin for error is probably higher with a lab or golden retriever, but it's irresponsible to own any large dog without committing to proper training and socialization. any large dog can maim or kill a human if provoked.

There is a reason BSLs exist. Scientists in those countries have decided pitbulls in particular are statistically more dangerous. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breed-specific_legislation Please be cautious before getting a pit bull yourself or for a loved one. I don't see this discussion moving forward regardless of whatever evidence I present. God bless, have a great holiday.

Breed specific legislation depends on the argument that certain breeds are more dangerous. It's illogical to posit this is so because the legislation exists its circular.

Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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Post by michaelmrose »

sn_master wrote: post #62
michaelmrose wrote: post #54

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Do you have any data to back up inherent breed based aggression by pit bulls?

https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2019... Says Pit Bulls are responsible for 69% of the fatalities (not just of all attacks).

This is a terrible source. Please see.

https://adbadog.com/truth-behind-dogsbite-org/

Personally I prefer the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association and the American Dog Breeders Association to a single biased source that is basically the qanon of breed specific legislation.

The only reason that I have slightly more respect for dogsbite is at least dogs actually have teeth whereas the pizza place in fact did not have a basement.

Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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Post by mikestew »

sn_master wrote: post #62
michaelmrose wrote: post #54

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Do you have any data to back up inherent breed based aggression by pit bulls?

https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2019... Says Pit Bulls are responsible for 69% of the fatalities (not just of all attacks).

That source can say anything it wants, and obviously people who want to believe their message will believe it. Those that prefer their sources to not have a singular ax to grind, such as the source you posted, will skip that one. No, more YouTube links won't help, either.

Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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Post by phunehehe0 »

ambivalents wrote: post #44
dfxm12 wrote: post #25

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I'll be honest, I'm not really a pet person and I'm curious about the issue. I think I understand the argument that animal rights activists make for spaying and neutering that it controls the population by making sure each pet has someone to care for it, reducing euthanasia rate and reducing strays that might attack people or other pets. The article argues this as well and explains that there's more to it than societ…

Neutering a male dog can increase the risk of certain health conditions, including bone cancer, obesity, and hypothyroidism [0]. Not neutering is also associated with certain health risks as well. So it's not clear cut without diving into the research. But this is just to say there are health-related arguments to be made for not neutering a dog. 'Cruel' may be a stretch, as I know the procedure is safe, apart from so…

Just want to say thanks for the link. I have not seen such a well rounded write up on the topic. Sadly it only contributes more to my own uncertainty :)

Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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Post by Talanes »

sjg007 wrote: post #46
Niten wrote: post #42

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> 3. Hit by car. Unneutered pets are much more likely to escape randomly and get hit by cars. Even pets that normally do not run away from their owners. Is there evidence of a causal relationship here?

They are running off to sow their oats.

The inference is obvious, I assume the poster is looking for actual data.

Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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Post by cwkoss »

dfxm12 wrote: post #16

I'm surprised there's no mention of Bob Barker. In 1970, less than 10 percent of licensed dogs were spay or neutered. Today, about 80 percent are. From 1979, everyday, Bob would end his show with this message: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTpolOR0kQo It's where I learned about the issue...

Kind of crazy to think that a game show host may have caused hundreds of millions of canine gonads being removed. What an odd legacy to have.

Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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Post by serf »

sn_master wrote: post #69
leetcrew wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there are almost 80 million dogs in america. linking a video with hundreds of pitbull attacks is not much better than just saying your neighbor has one and it's mean. the margin for error is probably higher with a lab or golden retriever, but it's irresponsible to own any large dog without committing to proper training and socialization. any large dog can maim or kill a human if provoked.

There is a reason BSLs exist. Scientists in those countries have decided pitbulls in particular are statistically more dangerous. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breed-specific_legislation Please be cautious before getting a pit bull yourself or for a loved one. I don't see this discussion moving forward regardless of whatever evidence I present. God bless, have a great holiday.

>regardless of whatever evidence I present.

a youtube search query for a socially charged topic isn't evidence.

There are volumes of youtube search results for free energy, moon-landing hoax explanations, remote viewing, voodoo, whatever. The list goes on forever.

Right now -- this very second -- one can find videos of labradors mauling people, basset hounds mauling people, schnauzers , scottish terriers, again, the list goes on forever.

The difference? The public hasn't been shown countless scare-pieces on basset hounds & schnauzers, so it's not a topic of interest in the public mind.

Any poorly trained dog is a foot-gun.

Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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Post by tw25511315 »

empalms wrote: post #39

I think this author is missing a major piece of dog park social norms where spaying & neutering are concerned -- behavioral changes that (ostensibly) arise from de-sexing dogs, particularly in neutering males. Maybe they should ask these other dog park goers _why_ they are so interested in status of their dog's reproductive organs... In my own anecdotal experience, my male golden retriever (who I've spent considerabl…

The social density aspect is an interesting one. Of course, there is still the option of not having a dog in such an environment. This leads me now to wonder whether it's not a bit selfish to decide to mess with an animal's hormones to get them to conform to an unnatural environment. Not casting aspersions; every dog I've had was spayed/neutered.

Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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Post by Fezzik »

leetcrew wrote: post #37
sn_master wrote: post #31

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pit bulls are dangerous dogs, unlike most other breeds. source: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pitbull+attack Edit: https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2019... 69% of fatalities due to dog bites were caused by the same breed.

pretty much any large dog can seriously fuck you up if they have a mind to. I've seen a chesapeake bay retriever crush a deer's head with his jaws. in the vast majority of cases, a properly socialized dog will not attack a human unprovoked.

Pretty much any mammal that is around 40+ lbs could seriously fuck that unarmed human up if it wanted or needed to. You’re not winning a hand-to-hoof fight with a deer or a mountain goat. The fact is that pit bulls are responsible for the super-majority of dog-attack-caused fatalities, at least in the USA: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in...

Over a 30+ year span, pit bulls were responsible for 3,397 attacks where the breed was able to be identified, nearly 7 times as many as the next most aggressive breed: https://maxlawsc.com/dog-bite-statistics/

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