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How Little Sleep Can You Get Away With?

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Re: How Little Sleep Can You Get Away With?

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How little sleep one can survive on is something I would like to not to explore. I've struggled with insomnia for over a decade now, and if you are fortunate to consistently get a solid nights sleep and wake up refreshed, then you should appreciate the energy you have. I would much rather sleep well, have less hours in the day to work with and operate at 80-100% mental capacity rather than get less sleep, drink gallo…

Ever try not exposing yourself to light at night? That's any light - overhead lights, computer screens, lamp poles. Your body produces melatonin based on that kind of input, and anything with significant blue light in it apparently stops you from producing it.

This can also be tough to do if you live in a very northerly or southerly latitude. For example, I live in Alaska and it did not get dark last night until approximately 1 AM, local time.

I've adapted myself to sleeping when the clock says I should and not based on how well lit it is.

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I'd settle for even being able to sleep at regular intervals. I have a habit of staying up until I'm tired and waking up when I can't sleep anymore. As a result, I may stay up all day for several days and then stay up all night for several days. Or for several days, I may sleep twice during 24hrs, in completely random periods. I just don't do well with the concept of "well, it's 10pm, so that means it's time to get i…

Each morning the sun shines in my face, it's uncomfortable to keep sleeping like that so my schedule is surprisingly regular now. I used to sleep like you in my previous condo's.

Re: How Little Sleep Can You Get Away With?

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Loved this article. I would love to see a simliar test around polyphasic sleep ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphasic_sleep ). I've actually tried the Uberman sleep schedule for three weeks. This is where you sleep 20 minutes for each 4 hours, totalling in a whopping 2 hours sleep each day. The time gain was insane, and the transition period aswell (between day 3-5 I actually hallucinated due to sleep deprevation)…

I tried everyman with my wife and thought it was going great subjectively, until a friend of ours said "You guys look like shit" which made us promptly realize that hidden behind the delusion that we were doing fine we were much more dull.

Re: How Little Sleep Can You Get Away With?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We had a lot of sleep-related problems with our kid. We recently sought professional help and started a program that gives children good sleep habits. We are three weeks in, and the results so far are nothing short of amazing. To put it simply, the kid is sleeping much better, and we got our lives back. One thing we learned the hard way is that following a method from a book is not enough -- you need a professional t…

Can you explain in a bit more depth?

Sure. The main goal of the program we're in is to teach the child how to fall asleep by themselves. You start by helping the child fall asleep in their bed with patting and soothing voices. Then you gradually push them toward independence until you can put them in their bed, say good night, leave the room, and have them simply go to sleep.

One important observation is that children who depend on external aids for falling asleep -- like cradling, or falling asleep while drinking from a bottle -- can become resistant to these aids after some time. When this happens it suddenly becomes much harder to get them to sleep, because they never had proper sleep habits to begin with. When a child can go to sleep on their own, they can also go back to sleep by themselves when they wake up in the middle of the night (we're actually seeing this happening). And this independence also has other benefits, like boosting self-confidence.

Then there are a lot of little rules about how to actually accomplish this goal. For example, if the child falls asleep but wakes up just 10-20 minutes later, you must insist that they go back to sleep, because otherwise they didn't really fall asleep properly. And the parent who does this must be the same parent who put them in bed in the first place -- you can't switch. Then there are instructions on how to deal with crying (basically never let a child cry without addressing them, but also don't give up on going to sleep), etc.

As I said there are a lot of details, and it's also quite different for every child. And of course this is all specific to the program we're in; I'm sure there are other good programs out there. My main point is that there are methods that work and have a proven track record -- you just have to find them.

Re: How Little Sleep Can You Get Away With?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We had a lot of sleep-related problems with our kid. We recently sought professional help and started a program that gives children good sleep habits. We are three weeks in, and the results so far are nothing short of amazing. To put it simply, the kid is sleeping much better, and we got our lives back. One thing we learned the hard way is that following a method from a book is not enough -- you need a professional t…

Did the advice apply to just your child or did it also include parental sleep habit advice?

Just the child.

Re: How Little Sleep Can You Get Away With?

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I have always suspected that I need more sleep than other people. When I tried to live without alarm clock I slept for 9-10 hours every night. It seems to be an enormous waste of time so I usually schedule an alarm after 8 hours.

It never occurred to me that one can measure whether the amount of sleep received is right. I just downloaded PEBL (http://pebl.sourceforge.net/), an open source software that includes the P.V.T. test (mentioned in the article) in its battery -- an you can adjust lots of test parameters simply by editing ppbt.pbl. Seems to be working fine (though the test itself is boring and tedious). I'll measure few times a day and try whether 8 vs 10 hours makes a difference in my case.

Re: How Little Sleep Can You Get Away With?

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I'd settle for even being able to sleep at regular intervals. I have a habit of staying up until I'm tired and waking up when I can't sleep anymore. As a result, I may stay up all day for several days and then stay up all night for several days. Or for several days, I may sleep twice during 24hrs, in completely random periods. I just don't do well with the concept of "well, it's 10pm, so that means it's time to get i…

Long live melatonin. Gave me a lot more control over my sleep schedule. Plus, the "positive side effects" section on the wikipedia entry is several pages long...

it would be a lot easier to just use eye patches

Re: How Little Sleep Can You Get Away With?

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I'd settle for even being able to sleep at regular intervals. I have a habit of staying up until I'm tired and waking up when I can't sleep anymore. As a result, I may stay up all day for several days and then stay up all night for several days. Or for several days, I may sleep twice during 24hrs, in completely random periods. I just don't do well with the concept of "well, it's 10pm, so that means it's time to get i…

I've not needed to be anywhere at any particular time most days for about 8 years now. I sleep wildly like you mention, and often don't feel good for it. I recently went camping in the Lake District, and as the camp sites were very dark at 10pm I went to bed, and as the tent starting getting hot at 8am I got up. I felt great for it. For me, I think my body needs a routine. Shame I can't get into that routine at home,…

I do have a schedule work-wise to keep, but it's not enough that it informs the rest of my life-style, I think. I work three days a week (nights, actually) for about twelve to fourteen hours. I telecommute, so it's not a huge deal and I could technically do my job at any time, but various persons have come to rely upon my availability during those odd hours to sort of bridge an informational gap across geographies if something comes up.

Part of the reason I spend more time in my own basement than any other room of the house is that it's dark down here (I've covered up the windows with blackout fabric) and it's very quiet. I don't hear the neighbor cleaning his RV or someone mowing their yard or loud cars going past.

I know it's unhealthy, but I don't really know of another solution (and from what I understand, it isn't enough to have a schedule - but you need to have a schedule where you're awake during the day and getting sunlight).

Re: How Little Sleep Can You Get Away With?

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post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Long live melatonin. Gave me a lot more control over my sleep schedule. Plus, the "positive side effects" section on the wikipedia entry is several pages long...

it would be a lot easier to just use eye patches

I don't know what makes you say that, but your statement trivializes the medical disorders of people you know nothing about.

Surely eye patches can not replace melatonin for all cases where melatonin is used as a treatment.

Re: How Little Sleep Can You Get Away With?

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I'd settle for even being able to sleep at regular intervals. I have a habit of staying up until I'm tired and waking up when I can't sleep anymore. As a result, I may stay up all day for several days and then stay up all night for several days. Or for several days, I may sleep twice during 24hrs, in completely random periods. I just don't do well with the concept of "well, it's 10pm, so that means it's time to get i…

Long live melatonin. Gave me a lot more control over my sleep schedule. Plus, the "positive side effects" section on the wikipedia entry is several pages long...

Melatonin is great. Dream Water has the similar effect too.
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